Jever - The German Pilsener

When I lived in Germany, I would only get Never of PU if there was a fresh shipment. Leaned quick to avoid the bottles with dust, as those would be skunked from the florescent lights in the Getrānkemarkt.

 

Patrik, take the below discussion FWIW.

I have seen folks discuss skunking of beer as being location (latitude) dependent. A BA from England would claim they have never tasted a beer that has been skunked. Another person would reply that because England has such a northern latitude the beer would be exposed to less UV intensity of the sunlight. In an opposite manner folks in the US at a more southern latitude would experience skunking from sunlight exposure (e.g., drinking at a picnic) in a relatively short period of time.

I have yet to see a scientific study on this topic.

Maybe @jesskidden has some information in this regard?

Cheers!

 

Polish/Greek deli sounds damned good to me. I was at a place in Yugoslavia (now Croatia) that specialized in a variety of European foods. We went back twice in one day. It was Nordic and Mediterranean.

 

Oh, yeah - I've been "beer shoppin' in PA" since the 1970s, both from NJ and when I lived in NYS's "southern tier". Almost exclusively to get me a little (well, a case of) something "I can't get at home", though. In fact, I was a bit selfishly disappointed when they started allowing distributors to sell 6- and 12-packs. "Uh-oh, there goes the closed cases of a lot of beers..."

Those cardboard inner "covers" in the hand holes are original, aren't they? Miller High Life (obviously, dating previous to their usage of "light-stable hop extract") and a couple of other clear/green bottle brands also used them on their reusable "shells", so that light couldn't strike the bottles nearest the hand holes. That, alone, is proof, too, that those brewers knew the problem of "lightstruck beer".

 

Yikes. If I saw dusty domestic beers on the shelf I would assume it was about to be delisted from the store. Was this outside the home region of Jever (I assume you meant Jever by the "Never of", but please correct me if I'm wrong)?

 

That is an interesting theory which sounds plausible at least. Longitudinally much of Sweden is certainly alot further north than most of the US.

 

Yes, those "covers" are indeed original but you cleverly only extracted a portion of the photograph I included in post #359. That photograph includes a total of 16 Rolling Rock cases and the majority of those cases (i.e., 12) do not have "covers". Does that mean that 75% of the Rolling Rock beers will not get lightstruck!?!

Cheers!

 

Patrik, maybe you can run your own experiment like the two fellows of Basic Brewing Radio did:

 

While it's not complete here's a table which gives a sample of the UV encountered in a variety of cities at different latitudes and at different times.

https://www.who.int/uv/intersunprogramme/activities/uv_index/en/index3.html

In the earlier discussions Jack refers to it always intrigued me how someone who lives in a country where Skunks are not native to the country would know what a Skunk smells like.

 

Tom, from the link you provided I think a comparison of St. Petersburg and New York is of interest:

Russia (St Petersburg) 60°N 0 0 1 3 4 5 5 4 2 1 0 0

USA (New York) 41°N 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 8 6 3 2 1

So, in the summer there is a percentage change of 80% in UV intensity – New York is almost double that of St. Petersburg.

I have heard Europeans use the analogy of polecat smell vs. skunk for the lightstruck aroma/flavor.

Cheers!

 

Yes, polecat could be close enough.

 

Those shells likely date from after Labatt bought Latrobe Brewing Co. in 1988, and their new parent company had the workers rip those out.
"What are we, crazy? Americans LOVE light struck beer! Just look at the 6 best selling imports last year. They're all in green or clear glass!"

 

In Swedish polecat is known as iller, and I remember as a kid that one of my classmates had several of them as pets. I have no idea how a polecat smells. But I think I will have to try the Basic Brewing experiment to try and find out.

 

Not sure, but I think there’s a time-intensity trade off.

 

Never had Ballantine Ale, butof the

ive had Rolling Rocks that tasted funny but cabbage wouldn’t be the word I’d use. Of the others I bet I’ve had a combined equal to maybe 2 cases, they were never heavy in my rotation and I’ve never had a bad beer from them.

 

Yes. I bought some 2013 Lambics at a huge discount, they were still very good. There’s exceptions to the age of cans and bottles, I was thinking of lagers in my reply.

 

Rolling Rock is 'renowned' for its perceptible DMS aroma/flavor. A common descriptor for DMS is corn/creamed corn; it tastes like creamed corn to my palate. FWIW I did not know about this 'science' when I was consuming Rolling Rock in mass quantities and for my palate I found the flavor profile of Rolling Rock to be enjoyable (at that time). I wonder if I would enjoy a Rolling Rock today?

Cheers!

 

Darned autocorrect, it did it again, but I caught it.. Jever, in the plastic crates. Digging one out lower in the stack didn't always help. This was in Wiesbaden, and the Getrānkemarkt had many Fernseher Pilsners from the north as it was wine country.

 

If it is similar to the smell of a skunk, consider yourself lucky!

There used to be a combination landscaping/nursery business near my house. That location was heavily wooded and a favored 'hang out' for skunks. The conventional wisdom is that they only stink when they are frightened and spray their 'stink' as a defense mechanism. I can attest to the fact this conventional wisdom in incorrect. On summer evenings when I had all of my windows open I knew the skunks were on my lawn because I could smell them. During that timeframe my next door neighbor Walt had a dog named Rudy and that dog got sprayed a number of times. I knew when this occurred since they would give him a bath outside in a big tub and Walt was cursing loudly as he tried to wash out the stink.

A decade+ ago that landscaping/nursery business was sold and they built luxury townhomes there. The skunks relocated during that construction and I have not seen (or smelled) one since.

Cheers!

 

Sounds like you should have opened a shooting gallery . That does sound nasty though. Thank goodness for gentrification I guess?