My $0.02 On Adding a Beer on This Site

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by woodychandler, Jan 31, 2019.

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  1. Lone_Freighter

    Lone_Freighter Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2017 Vermont

    Ahhh, true. That could be.
     
  2. Mrstiffington

    Mrstiffington Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2018 New Jersey

    Wait site editors are volunteers? No pay? Why do it??
     
  3. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    Altruism, love for beer? Guess you also learn a lot.
     
  4. Lone_Freighter

    Lone_Freighter Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2017 Vermont

    IMO, they do it for the love of beer. A non-selfish way of trying to make it easier for any and all to rate or review a beer.
     
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  5. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    I already spend a lot of my time reviewing and posting on this site. I was already submitting site edits and pictures before I even became one. I like doing it.
     
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  6. Mrstiffington

    Mrstiffington Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2018 New Jersey

    Yeah but the owners of the site make money, no? I just figured everyone working on the site got paid something, even a small amount. That’s fine if you want to not get paid, I was just surprised. Carry on.
     
  7. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,125) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    I do it because I love the site and want to help it succeed. I've been using it for about 9 years, so thought i'd give back a bit. And its something that I can do while at work in between patients.
     
  8. VoodooBear

    VoodooBear Maven (1,362) Aug 25, 2012 Puerto Rico
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    It seems counter intuitive and cluttered to have 10,000 listings just named "Blonde Ale". I understand the redundancy issue with the brewery name but it should be OK, for example, for Boquerón Brewing's Blonde Ale to be named "Boquerón Blonde Ale", as they themselves call it. However, if the beer has a proper name like Funky Buddha's "Last Snow", then the name should be "Last Snow" instead of "Funky Buddha Last Snow". In 6+ years on here I've always thought the "[Brewery] [Style]" format was widely accepted and the standard for beers that don't have a proper name. After reading this, it looks like I was wrong, but it's something that should be looked at, I guess.
     
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  9. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Because it's a huge pain in the ass when a user tries to look up a beer, and all beers are listed under the brewery name. I get it, I already typed the brewery name in to get to their page, I don't need to see "Alpha Brewing" Blonde; Alpha Brewing IPA; Alpha Brewing Scrotum; Alpha Brewing Scapula; ad nauseum

    We get it, we know what the fucking brewery name is. Just list the beers by name.
     
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  10. DVMin98

    DVMin98 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,125) Nov 1, 2010 North Carolina
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    Well if you type in Boqueron blonde ale, only one beer should pop up and you should be directed right to the page
     
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  11. VoodooBear

    VoodooBear Maven (1,362) Aug 25, 2012 Puerto Rico
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    Well if you type in "Alpha Brewing IPA" only the IPA should show up, not every single beer in Alpha's roster. And if you search only for the brewery, all the brewery's beers should be there listed; regardless if the brewery name is there or not. The "pain in the ass" you're referring to doesn't exist. Unless by "pain in the ass" you mean reading/skipping one extra word at the beginning of the listing.

    Also, as I mentioned in my examples. "Alpha Brewing Scapula", the name is just "Scapula". I agree there that the name is redundant. "Blonde Ale" is just a beer style, not a proper name. So "Alpha Brewing Blonde Ale" makes sense. Nowhere am I saying all beers should have it. Just when there's no actual name.
     
    #91 VoodooBear, Mar 8, 2019
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  12. VoodooBear

    VoodooBear Maven (1,362) Aug 25, 2012 Puerto Rico
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    Right, so the name of the beer is "Boquerón Blonde". You type that in the search, it takes you to the beer. I don't see why having "Boquerón" on there is detrimental.
     
  13. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Search utilizes the term from both the name of the brewery and the name of the beer, it does not need to be duplicated in the beer name.
     
  14. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    When you have a brewery with a large list of beers, some of which include the name of the brewery and some of which do not we tend to get a lot of duplicate entries created because people scan the list alphabetically rather than alphabetically and then alphabetically in case it has the brewery name in the name.

    Alpha Brewing IPA is probably not the best example to use as I do not see a single beer from Alpha Brewing named IPA - in fact I see a number of different IPAs by them. Also since the search criteria utilizes information from both the brewery name and the beer name and Alpha is not the unique a term, you are going to get other results included like IPAs from Alpha Acid Brewing, Alpha Dog Imperial IPA by Laughing Dog Brewing, etc. There are just a lot of fairly commonly used terms in that search query.

    There is a standard on the site for naming beers, so please follow it rather than debate/argue why you should do otherwise. Just a generic style name does not need to be prefaced by the brewery name as it is already associated with/listed under the brewery.
     
  15. VoodooBear

    VoodooBear Maven (1,362) Aug 25, 2012 Puerto Rico
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    Huh?

    It was a hypothetical example in response to @beertunes. But thanks for the explanation?

    The only "standard" I could find is on this post from 2014, which mentions a standard naming convention is in the works. Anyway, the one there says: "There's no need to add the full brewery name to the beer name. It's redundant." Which could be interpreted as: "Boquerón Brewing Company Blonde Ale" is not OK, but "Boquerón Blonde Ale" could be OK.

    In any case, I'm not debating/arguing for or against doing anything. I'm just expressing my opinion that if a beer doesn't have an actual name and just goes by the style (which is not actually a name), having the brewery on there is no big deal.

    Also keep in mind that there's a pretty large mount of beers with that "[Brewery] [Style]" naming format currently on the site and there's no disclosure on the "Add Beer" page. Maybe that's something that can be added under the name entry box in the future to avoid this sort of thing since it looks to be a pretty common issue.
     
  16. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Do you not understand that I was using the phrase/term/title "Alpha Brewing"as a generic example?

    Rest of post redacted.

    My bad, enjoy your next beer, didn't mean to hurt your feels.
     
  17. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Unless, in a hugely shocking development, that is how the brewery choose to describe it. You think you know better than the brewer?
     
  18. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Sorry, I might have jumped in when it might have been better I didn't. Edit as needed.
     
  19. VoodooBear

    VoodooBear Maven (1,362) Aug 25, 2012 Puerto Rico
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    I do and my point still stands. You're making up a problem where it doesn't exist. I can see the issue with adding the brewery name to every single entry but that's not what I'm talking about and I agree that it's redundant in a lot of cases.

    So we agree that if the brewery names their Blonde Ale "[Brewery] Blonde Ale" the brewery's name should be in there. Thank you, have a great day.
     
    #99 VoodooBear, Mar 8, 2019
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  20. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    #100 beer_beer, Mar 8, 2019
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