Averagely Perfect American Brown Ale - Poll #18 - Mash Temperature

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Apr 13, 2019.

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What should be the recommended mash temperature?

Poll closed Apr 15, 2019.

  1. 147F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  2. 148F

    1 vote(s)
    3.7%

  3. 149F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. 150F

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%

  5. 151F

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  6. 152F

    6 vote(s)
    22.2%

  7. 153F

    1 vote(s)
    3.7%

  8. 154F

    11 vote(s)
    40.7%

  9. 155F

    4 vote(s)
    14.8%

  10. Multi-Step

    1 vote(s)
    3.7%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    -> Poll #17<- determined that the percentage of Brown Malt (~60L) would be 6%, and thus the percentage for Golden Promise will be 78.5%.

    This poll will determine recommended Mash Temperature. After that, we'll determine recommended Mash Length. These will be "recommended" because YMMV when it comes to making a wort with the attenuability needed to hit this recipe's numbers, so some may need different mash parameters. That said, the recommended numbers will be at least a starting place for less experienced brewers.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of the parameters needed to hit apparent attenuation between 76% and 77% with the grain bill and yeast strain already selected, and in terms of any recommended mash length that might be knocking around your grey matter.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine the central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff. It all depends on the data. Want a temperature not listed? Write it in.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via private message. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently. Votes from anyone trolling the thread are null and void.

    The Averagely Perfect American Brown Ale Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 5.6%
    OG: 1.056
    FG: 1.013
    Yeast Strain: Wyeast 1469

    Grains:
    - Golden Promise (78.5%)
    - Brown Malt (~60L) (6%)
    - Pale Chocolate Malt (English, ~220L) (5.5%)
    - American Crystal 60 (5%)
    - Golden Naked Oats (5%)
     
    #1 VikeMan, Apr 13, 2019
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    In my experience, this yeast is a high attenuator, which motivated me to vote 154.
     
    #2 pweis909, Apr 14, 2019
  3. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    I went with my "default" 152 because that is what I almost always do. But, I have never used this yeast. Anyone else besides @pweis909 with prior experience?
     
    #3 wspscott, Apr 14, 2019
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    My fermentation data from batches with WY1469 were lost. I recall @JackHorzempa discussing its capacity for attenuation in an old thread. Perhaps he can remind us of his experience with the strain.
     
    #4 pweis909, Apr 14, 2019
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I use 1469 to ferment my annual batch of Bitter Ale, My last batch was:
    • OG: 1.048
    • FG: 1.009
    Cheers!
     
    #5 JackHorzempa, Apr 15, 2019
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  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Jack, a few related questions, if you have information handy:
    • What percentage of crystal malt?
    • Any highly fermentable sugars?
    • How did you mash? (single infusion? temp(s)? times).
     
    #6 pweis909, Apr 15, 2019
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    1 lb. of Simpsons Medium Crystal Malt (5 gallon batch)
    No sugars
    153 degrees F single temperature infusion

    Cheers!
     
    #7 JackHorzempa, Apr 15, 2019
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  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    I too have gotten fairly high attenuation from 1469. Usually around 80% when mashed at 150*F.
     
    #8 jbakajust1, Apr 15, 2019
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  9. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Either of you guys have any input on a mash schedule you'd set up for the grain bill on this Brown Ale?
    Fiddling with temp and time in BrewCipher I got it to hit the OG/FG/Attenuation(76.7%) with 153° for 75 minutes, 11.18 lbs fermentables.
     
    #9 riptorn, Apr 15, 2019
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I have not been following these Brown Ale threads so I have no input here.

    Cheers!
     
    #10 JackHorzempa, Apr 15, 2019
  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    I'm getting 155*F for 60 minutes at 1.5qts/#. I have the attenuation factor in Brewcipher set to 82 for 1469.
     
    #11 jbakajust1, Apr 15, 2019
  12. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I'm guessing you did that in the YEASTLOOKUP tab?
    I changed the factor there to 82, plugged in your temp, time and qts/lb and get 76.2% Predicted Apparent Attenuation. Is that close to what you got?
    Not questioning your method, but my manipulations.
     
    #12 riptorn, Apr 15, 2019
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  13. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    That is exactly what I got. When I set that beer to 150 it hit 79.7% which is in line with where I would expect that yeast to stop on that grain bill. 155 falls to 1.013 FG.
     
    #13 jbakajust1, Apr 15, 2019
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    mean: 153F and change
    median: 154
    mode: 154

    Calling this one for 154F.
     
    #14 VikeMan, Apr 15, 2019
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  15. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    #15 wspscott, Apr 17, 2019
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