Growler Deposits

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by hoptualBrew, Jun 20, 2019.

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Would you participate in growler deposits as described below?

Poll closed Jul 20, 2019.
  1. Yes

    59.1%
  2. No

    40.9%
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  1. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Going to create a device with the help of local fabricator.

    Basically a modified CPF with a liquid in valve only up top in a vertical position and keep the pressure relief valve on side. Liquid in will have valve.

    Will have a CO2 only faucet set at 3-4 psi. Hook up, purge, counter pressure, close valve, pinch tube off, go hook up to beer faucet, connect, open valve, open tap, fill.
     
  2. joerooster

    joerooster Initiate (0) May 15, 2018 Virginia

    I think this is where there is going to be issues. You're going to get dirty growlers back and then have to go back and forth with the customer about giving them their deposit and potentially lose the customer.

    I'd suggest just accepting any growler and deal with cleaning it or don't do the deposit thing, just sell the glass.

    And no 16oz growlers unless the cost to fill is exactly half that of a 32 oz growler.
     
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  3. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Well, not to get too nerdy, but...

    The crowlers come on a non-standard pallet that takes up a slightly larger footprint than a standard 48x40 inch pallet. You can't unstack them, so you have to park the pallet. And you're limited to certain quantities.https://www.ball.com/na/solutions/markets-capabilities/capabilities/beyond-beverage-cans/crowler . Plus, they're easily damaged, with no real protection.

    With growlers, they come in cases, which keeps them clean and relatively safe. You can strip down the pallet, and stack them somewhere. And you can buy smaller quantities, from 12 cases up: https://egrandstand.com/1-2-gallon-amber-growler-64-oz.html
     
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  4. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    My biggest problem with growlers is the trouble of bothering to take them back to the brewery. I do a lot of my brewery visits after work or on a whim, so I'm usually not looking to grab a growler for a specific brewery when I'm heading out. Most breweries around here sell 750 ml crowlers (I get the impression that they've surpassed growler sales at most breweries), and I prefer that option to a 64 oz. growler every time* (keeps better, stronger carbonation levels, more reasonable size, no deposits or empty containers to clean and store and return), even though the per ounce price is higher. Your proposed program sounds decent for people who already purchase growlers (and a lot of breweries have similar policies already) but wouldn't attract a crowler fan like myself to regress to the growler format.

    * Well, almost every time. If I'm going to a party in the next couple of days, I may grab a growler; that's about the only situation I think they fit well. I always prefer professionally cleaned and counterpressure-filled growlers, not my own growler refilled from the tap.

    What's your objection to doing crowlers, exactly?
     
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  5. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    And also a lot more handling, especially for not huge stores....
     
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  6. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    This is our issue with crowlers. We are going to be a smaller setup (2500 sq ft) for a 3 bbl brewery, taproom, bottle shop. Want to be able to order economically feasible amounts of growlers and even ability to store them off-site and bring in cases as our inventory gets low at the brewery.

    Crowlers take up a lot of space, aren’t packaged in portable cases, are wasteful, do not re-seal, damage easily, and pour crappy.

    Those are our cons to crowlers. Upside is they are more consumable for customers and will likely sell more than growler fills. Trying to make up the difference of projected lower sales by getting creative.
     
  7. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Same here. It keeps me from “buying” a growler.

    Imagine if you could return growlers and get deposit back though. Even if you forgot your growler at home... knowing you could essentially rent the growler for now and get your money back later. Hell, even doing this 3-4 times then bring all those 4 growlers back in (clean) for a refund of your deposit.

    Would you be more likely to get a growler under those conditions?
     
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  8. papposilenus

    papposilenus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,232) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    I don't plan good.
     
  9. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    More likely but probably still wouldn't do it. I'd still have to bring them all back eventually, and that creates a psychological barrier for me (seems not worth the trouble).

    If you accepted any growler (not just your own) as a trade-in, that would motivate me more. I always keep a clean empty growler in my trunk just in case, but that would be from whatever brewery I happened to grab.
     
  10. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    @islay

    Appreciate your feedback. Cheers!
     
  11. hudsonvalleyslim

    hudsonvalleyslim Savant (1,126) May 29, 2003 Massachusetts

    You saw my closet?
     
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  12. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    LOL:beers::beers:
     
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  13. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
    Trader

    I’m partial to Crowlers over Growlers, I’ve got half a shelf dedicated to old jugs. I like Crowlers are smaller, travel better and last longer, even if they might be a bit more expensive. 64 oz Growlers never excited me much, and a place like Heist in Charlotte use 32 oz Crowlers anyway over some 25 oz cans. I can buy multiples so I can have variety and not have to chug them in a few days.
     
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  14. woodchipper

    woodchipper Grand Pooh-Bah (3,735) Oct 25, 2005 Connecticut
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    I've got a shit-ton of growlers I will never get back to the respective breweries. Thrown many out as a matter of fact. Price I pay for taking my wife's vehicle sometimes and not mine which always has a re-usable thermos-style growler in it.
    Go with crowlers. Cleanliness, freshness and convenience demands it.
     
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  15. Spade

    Spade Pooh-Bah (2,568) Mar 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Just a thought... maybe the customer pays the deposit and swaps out the growler every time they get one filled. Might eliminate the haggling over cleanliness, and you could have growlers prepped and filled with popular brews during busy times.

    Also, if you're basing the return refund on growlers with your logo, is it a problem when someone gives their growler to someone else? Do you care who gets the deposit back? Maybe you explained that and I missed it.

    Interesting idea. I'd certainly try it if a local place offered the program.
     
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  16. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    This is a great thought. Didn’t think about this or about the exchange with every use.

    Will have to figure these issues out. Deposit return may have to be cash only or tied to a card or added as a discount item onto a ticket. Will have to see what the POS system will allow for if we move forward with this concept.

    Thanks for the good feedback, really appreciate it!
     
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  17. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I would use the buy back option if I was a local to the area. It would come in handy if I wasn’t planning to visit the brewery or buy a growler then found myself at the brewery wanting a growler fill. However, most of the time I bring a growler to a brewery when I plan a visit.

    Crowlers are nice because if you aren’t local you’ll end up having to buy yet another growler to fill the garage up with. For instance, i was just on a family vacation and was able to get some Crowler fills from a brewery I may never visit again because it’s 10 hours from my house. Thus, a buy back option doesn’t do me any good.
     
  18. KarlHungus

    KarlHungus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,315) Feb 19, 2005 Minnesota
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    Am I off here: you want to pass the inconvenience of growlers onto the customer, because crowlers are too inconvenient for you?
     
  19. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Not really.

    I personally am not a crowler fan for multiple reasons:

    Wasteful
    Pours terribly (spills are very common)
    Can’t re-seal
    Damages easily

    I love swing top growlers but can see how people are hesitant to purchase them outright. A buy back program would lower risk of buy in. Storage inconvenience is probably 10% by weight of reason for doing this. We will be in small space, so sq ft is precious. A pallet that takes up 16 sq ft of floor space is a factor, yes, albeit a minor one.


    Based on feedback, if we move forward with this program we will do 25 oz & 64 oz growlers (champagne bottle swingtop & 2L Palla swingtop) for $3 & $10 respectively.
     
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  20. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
    Trader

    I’d be surprised if a straight yes or no poll shows customers would prefer Crowlers over Growlers. And from your standpoint you don’t have to even think about sterilizing used jugs, besides without the proper system Growlers lifespan is short, and the 64 oz unwieldy, and recapping is useless imo.
     
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