First timer: how to brew in 14 days or less?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by acannell, Jul 15, 2019.

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  1. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Since I have a thermocouple taped to the fermenter, could I also tell by observing that the fridge no longer tries to cool because the temperature has stabilized? (just curious.. will do as you say though)

    Should I get a refractometer instead of the hydrometer? The pricing is about the same.

    I think I'll go with number 1. I'll pipette the absolute minimum needed to take a reading using very careful sterilizing procedures, then I'll drink the sample. Win win! Plus I want to have _some_ kind of measurement for this beer since its such a weird brew, I'll learn something.

    Its ok! I do not expect this batch to turn out perfect although it does seem to be going well so far. But really, I would have pretty low expectations for it even if I was doing the longer 4 week brew. Things dont go great on first tries usually. If it has alcohol, is drinkable, and has some hop flavors I recognize, that would be a 100% win in my book.

    But already I have "gone through the motions" and now have the tools and setup I need for batch #2, so that is the real payoff here.
     
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  2. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    By the way..just thought other BBS users would like to know. When I started the mash, I used the included glass thermometer. Just to be safe, and our of curiousity, I also used a small digital thermometer. The digital showed 20F higher than the glass! Looking closer at the glass, the measuring fluid had separated and was giving a false low temperature. Beware....

    EDIT: Caught it while rasing mash temp so it didnt end up getting overtemperature from it...
     
  3. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Based on this brewers experience, having never seen wort turn into beer, the FG can not be related to anything. Is this beer ready in 7 days at 1.010? 1.020? And then we are going to prime and be ready to drink in another week? Come on.

    I just don't think speed brewing is a thing, not for me or anyone else. That is an opinion.

    Speed brewing on the very first batch, where we are going to get an unfinished beer in the best of circumstances and possibly worse? That's not advancing the craft in my estimation (It is too late at this point but, don't say I didn't warn you!)

    As always I advise for brewers to do what they think is appropriate based on their experience etc. But that is not the case here.
    Cheers
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  5. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Is this not good: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MC4VDMK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3NOVE8G03TU0F&psc=1 $18?

    It would be nice to use a smaller sampler size but if a hydrometer is better for some reason I'll get it instead

    The hydrometer I was looking at was:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KVCGRGW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3J24WM0V7CVVM&psc=1

    And the bottle caps and bottle capper:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Q64T8M/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D6KGTK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A2474127I80LIB&psc=1
     
  6. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Oh okay so with a refactometer, since I cant really calibrate it on a single batch, I could only use it for relative changes to tell when fermentation is done then..?
     
  7. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Yeah that's right. You could sort of fudge it by guessing your OG and plugging that into an online calculator, but it would be at best a ballpark number. I love my refractometer and I would recommend it as a good purchase if you're going to be brewing much, but for your present purposes a refractometer would not be the ideal tool.

    [Edited to add: I guess what you could do is take a refractometer reading on like day 4 and again on day 5. If they are the same, then regardless of the number (which will seem high because it won't be adjusted), you'll know you're good to go. But to me this is inferior to the hydrometer approach I described above.]
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    When I order online I do so from homebrew vendors like MoreBeer. The cheapest refractometer from them is 60 bucks:

    https://www.morebeer.com/products/brewing-refractometer-dual-scale.html

    I do not own a refractometer (I have solely used an hydrometer) so I can not provide you with any specific advise here (e.g., which one is "good").

    Cheers!

    P.S. An inexpensive hydrometer:

    https://www.morebeer.com/products/triple-scale-hydrometer.html
    Cheers!
     
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  9. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I can see the logic of just saying "no" rather than indulging an attempt that is unlikely to work, and in the past I've sometimes advised people to drop a bad idea. Everyone's going to draw the line in a different place. To me, getting a medium-gravity beer from grain to glass in 2 weeks is a lot more sensible than some of the other practices we see on this forum, but as I said everyone's going to draw the line differently.
     
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  10. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    24 hours into primary fermentation

    Bubbling has slowed to once per 14 seconds..before it was more like 2 per second. So a factor 28 reduction. I suppose this means fermentation is basically over?

    The big head of foam is basically gone and now there is just a thin layer of brown coating where the foam had touched, and a very thin partial layer of foam on the wort.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    It’s doubtful the yeast finished their work in 24 hrs, even though we don’t know the viability of the yeast or how efficient your mash was.
    It’d be good to have something (refractometer, hydrometer) to take a gravity reading by about Thursday or Friday, and again a day or two after. What you’re looking for is an unchanged reading over 2-3 days. That’s the way to know it’s okay to get ready for safe bottling.

    But there’s other stuff still happening in your fermentor………
    https://www.morebeer.com/articles/conditioning
     
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  12. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Okay bought the hydrometer and bottle capper and caps, will be here by Friday!!

    If I have 14 days left, would it be better to have more time in the fermenter or more time in the bottle?
     
  13. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    The link in my other post addresses that question pretty good, in addition to some other questions that you haven't asked but will likely come to mind.
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do not bottle until primary fermentation is complete (at a minimum until the final gravity is reached). The yeast get to decide when things are done; forget about the calendar.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    okay I will go back and study it thanks
     
  16. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Incidentally, @riptorn, I assume you were a fan of the man who inspired your name. It's a big loss, he was by far the funniest actor on The Larry Sanders Show (Jeffrey Tambor being a distant second). He will be missed.
     
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  17. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Yessir. He was a diverse talent. I especially enjoyed him in the remake of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof and, perhaps surprisingly, the goofy movie Dodgeball.

    Edited to add: To keep this in accord with the guidelines, he was also in a film named "Beer". :grin:
     
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  18. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    By the way, if you find after a brew or two that you're worrying about the amount of delicious beer that you're losing to hydrometer samples, then unless you're really constrained for space and equipment I'd probably take that as an indication that you should scale up to a bigger batch size, not switch to a refractometer...
     
  19. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    I use a refractometer (one of the cheap $18 ones you linked) and like it a lot. I also have a refractometer and only really use it for confirmation of the refractometer readings when they seem wonky (which is very rarely).
     
  20. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    You use two refractometers, one to verity the other?
     
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