First timer: how to brew in 14 days or less?

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Not that I am specifically recommending this but...

    Friends and family might enjoy drinking your beers too. When I am invited to parties I am 'encouraged' by friends and family to bring some homebrewed beer. I used to be able to 'get away' with bringing a couple of 6-packs but now if I don't show up with a case (24 bottles) I get 'looks'.

    Yeah, maybe best to stay small and don't share.

    Cheers!
     
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Hopefully you got it right since 4 o'clock was 3 hours ago, but if you are going to boil 17.77 grams into water for your priming solution, you need to put all of the solution into the beer regardless of wanting to have extra solution available or your beer will be under-carbed.
     
  3. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Time is not the only ... nor is it the main consideration for many who brew 'small' batch sizes.

    The kits sold by Mr. B produce a 2G batch; however ... the LBK (pictured above) is large enough to accommodate a 2.5G batch size yet small enough to accommodate indoor ... climate controlled ... stove-top brewing. A 48-QT ice chest makes an ideal fermentation chamber b/c of the LBK's high aspect ratio.
     
  4. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    4PM PST!

    So heres how it went!!

    Final Gravity: 1.018 to 1.020 (hydrometer)
    Priming sugar: 22g table sugar pre-dissolved in 1/4cup hot water (based on calculator set to 0.9 gallons, 72F, "american pale ale" CO2)

    Taste test: Smells amazing. Very little if any sweetness. Some pleasant yeastyness smell but not anything I haven't smelt in store beers. Infinitely lasting hop bitterness aftertaste very good. Tried hard but did not detect any of the off/green flavors I have seen described. Maybe they are there and I just don't notice them? To me it just tasted like a flat high quality fruity IPA with a perfect amount of bitterness. I put my tiny sample in the fridge (normal fridge) to get cold because I want to see what its like. If this beer doesn't get worse, I will be very happy with it as is. I can't imagine it carbonated with some conditioning (although I'm not sure what flavors I'd change really)

    Appearance: very hazy even in a small amount (see pic)

    I was surprised how much trub there was. Not that I would really know I guess.

    Looking at the priming sugar amount and that it was based on 0.9gal and I probably only had 0.75gal, plus the specific gravity being so high, I suppose I made bottle bombs here. What to do?

    Yield: 8 bottles

    Ingredients:

    BBS gose gone wild grain bag for 1 gallon batch ("malted barley blend")
    BBS american pale ale yeast packet
    32 grams of Citra/Amarillo/Mosaic hops mixed roughly evenly. First in at 20mins into boil (wasn't sure it was up to temp), remaining at approx 15 to 25min intervals (1/4 each time)
    22g table sugar
    Primary fermentation: ~4 days at 71F

    Bottle conditioning: will be about 9 days at 73F

    I'm happy at the moment but are my bottles going to blow? Anything I can do? I did not taste any extreme sweetness..seemed pretty normal

    Can bad flavors sneak up on you? Maybe I am being optimistic? Seems really good. Friend says she thought it was amazing too and is not the type to exaggerate


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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I really do not want to be a 'Debbie Downer' here but that sure seems like a high value for a final gravity for an APA type beer. My APA's typically end up around 1.010.

    Maybe you just had lots of dextrins from your mash?

    I would recommend that you monitor these bottles as they bottle condition/carbonate to ensure that 'bottle bombs' do not occur.

    Cheers!
     
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  6. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Oh its okay your insights are very useful and interesting! I'm not downed. Honestly even the little sample we had was so surprisingly good we are excited that it even worked to this point.

    Its possible I measured the specific gravity wrong. I tried to tap all the bubbles off but I didnt get a perfect reading, and it was right before the bottling mayhem so it was a little crazy (there was beer on the floor lets just leave it at that).

    The grain isnt from the APA kit, its from the gose kit, would that matter? Also more than triple the number of hops than the APA kit...could that matter?

    How do I monitor the bottles? Just crack one open every day or two and see if its a geyser? Is there a visible way to check up on them?

    Shouldn't I taste alot of sweetness if there is too much sugar(s) left?

    I tried the sample after it sat in the fridge for 30 mins and got cold. Definitely lots of hop bitterness (good still), the hoppy aromas fade pretty fast from when it was drawn from the fermenter, but they are still there. I dont really detect sweetness but maybe I am missing it

    If I crack one open tomorrow can I tell anything? Should it be basically uncarbonated still?

    Or maybe wait 48 or 72 hours and check one?
     
  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Okay, duh, I forgot about the time zone difference.

    It looks like from your last photo that you put the bottles into your fermentation chamber, so that will provide some protection/containment if a bottle breaks. Typically a bottle does not explode violently, but rather it cracks and breaks open somewhere and all of the liquid likely gushes out rapidly. (I've never seen it happen, but I've experienced the end results and cleanup. Some glass shards were a couple feet away, so there is some eruption of the glass.)

    Just keep the bottles around 70-72 degrees for now. I've had bottles that seemed fully carbonated at 10 days and they give off the typical hiss when uncapped, so anything short of 10-day carbonation likely should not be considered explosive. If your beer didn't taste sweet, it's likely that you don't have too much sugar in it to cause you to be overly concerned. HOWEVER, use all caution since you're dealing with a bit of the unknown here. Handle the bottles with care and with a towel and use caution when opening the first one. Be near a sink, or possibly open it in your fermentor since it looks like it is liquid tight on the bottom.

    I'd wait 6-7 days to check your first bottle. It could be that all you'll get is a light hiss, so try to listen for it to confirm that carbonation is happening. A light hiss obviously means more time is needed. If it's a rapid gusher, take precautions right away and plan on discarding all of them for proper safety. If it just barely oozes out of the bottle, refrigerate them to stop any more carbonation from occurring, but still handle them with caution. If it has about the right amount of carbonation, refrigerate them or wait another day at your option depending on what you detect for the amount of carbonation from the hiss or taste.

    Good luck.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It could but I would expect that the grain bill for a Gose would lead to a low final gravity (even lower than 1.010).
    Not really. The final gravity is a function of the specific sugars content of the wort and the health of the fermentation.

    Best of luck here.

    Cheers!
     
  9. Push_the_limits

    Push_the_limits Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2018 Antarctica

    Bottle bombs are pretty unlikely. Just keep each bottle separate from each other and stored away in a safe place, just in case. Although explosions are unlikely, "geysers" -- as you put it -- are not unlikely. When you open one, just have a glass ready. It would also help if they were cold.

    Don't open one every day. You only have 8 bottles or whatever, so wait at least 10-14 days for your first one.
     
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  10. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    UPDATE

    No explosions yet

    Seems to be carbonation, flipping bottle around some foam forms inside and little bubbles rise for a second or two.

    Very thin white sediment on bottom of bottles

    Is "white" sediment yeast? I noticed there were distinct layers of color in the primary fermenter..a dark gray and then a very light white.

    Still very hazy. Given the recipe , should this beer be hazy?

    Having a ton of fun doing this...I'm trying to hunt down a dream beer to home brew...i'd like to do modern times orderville but I dont see a recipe. There do seem to be rave reviews for modern times fruitland homebrew recipe though.

    Can you "bottle condition" in a growler instead of bottles? Like a metal jug? It would be kind of cool to have the beer "on tap" so to speak
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes.
     
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  12. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    Carbonation video -->
     
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  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The sediment in your bottle is light colored since it is principally yeast. In your primary the sediment is a combination of trub and later on yeast. Further reading about trub:

    https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/0U8NFlUMbJ/
    Given that you have not completed the bottle conditioning phase it is not surprising the 'beer' is hazy. Once bottle conditioning is fully complete (e.g., 2+ weeks in the bottle) the beer should have a clearer appearance. Did you utilize any kettle finings while brewing this beer?

    Cheers!
     
  15. loebrygg

    loebrygg Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2016 Norway

    Yes you can
     
  16. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    As penance for my speed brewing evils I will reserve a bottle for long bottle conditioning to see what happens

    I did not use finings
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Perhaps something to consider for your next batch?

    I use Irish Moss (flakes) for the last 15 minutes of boil as a fining.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    I'll add that to my shopping list for the brew shop thanks
     
  19. acannell

    acannell Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2017 California

    I also did not whirlpool
     
  20. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    After brewing 5 gallons for years, I guess I devolved as now I’m brewing smaller batches. When I started, batch size was discussed as though 5 gallons was a theoretical minimum. Never having purchased 2 cases of beer at once, brewing that much as a newb isn’t intuitive. Brewing less allows me to find the right balance of how much of one beer I want to keep and how frequently I want to brew. If I brewed a lot of beer for otters to consume, more might be better (assuming it was god in the first place).
     
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