Manhattan Project faces backlash over nuclear weapons-themed beers

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  1. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I made my point, if you don't like the cans/brewery then you are free to ignore them. We can make a million comparisons, I am done playing those games. I think the cans are cool, will buy them, drink them, and with luck enjoy them.
    Cheers
     
    #21 AZBeerDude72, Aug 16, 2019
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  2. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Cool, no interest in actually discussing the issue. Enjoy having made "your point." Bye.
     
    #22 deadwolfbones, Aug 16, 2019
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  3. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Not at all, the threads turn into a shouting match and I don't want to do that. I enjoy having conversations but it appears you want to turn it into 100 back and forth comments like other threads and I won't do that anymore, then the mods take down the thread. We both have our views and we should respect them, if you want to not drink their beer I support that. If I find no harm then you should support my choice as well.
     
    #23 AZBeerDude72, Aug 16, 2019
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  4. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Yep, you just do your own soapbox shouting as quickly as possible and then leave whenever anyone brings up a counterpoint. I know the style very well. And I have zero respect for it, sorry.
     
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  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    It seems they live on one or more islands within fall out distance of the Bikini Atol nuclear tests a while back. Personally having lived in an area of the US that had once recived nuclear fall out from the Los Almos testing I understand their feelings a bit.
     
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  6. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    We don't need 100 replies to make our point, I made mine. If you need 10 pages to make yours I cannot help you. We all have seen how this plays out and I am trying to take lead and keep it civil. Its a beer can, remember that.
    Now lets all drink a few beers and relax, the world will be here tomorrow and with luck canning dates will arrive on cans soon.
    :stuck_out_tongue:
     
    #26 AZBeerDude72, Aug 16, 2019
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  7. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    I do too. It had to be done somewhere, but putting myself in their shoes, I would be pretty pissed that they picked my backyard to do it in. What I have a problem with is the people who go off about how bad we are for making and using the atomic bomb with no consideration of what was going on in the world then.
     
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  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    @deadwolfbones

    Gent's

    Let's step back a bit here and take a deep breath.

    There is communication to be had here.

    @AZBeerDude72

    Your post that I responded to can easily be read by someone who figurse you are mocking the conderns of the folks who are not happy with the Brewery.

    It is not same to assume online that everyone undestands your intent.

    @deadwolfbones

    You and he may be able to communicate with a bit of calmness.
     
    #28 drtth, Aug 16, 2019
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  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Me too. But folks who haven't studied history....

    I've read enough Truman bios to get a realistic sense of the decison alternatives with which he was faced. Also the shock of national alarm when the US found out that knowing a bomb could be made did their first one in consierably less time by the Russians than it took us to do the first one.
     
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  10. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    I'm quite calm, but I genuinely don't think there's any useful communication to be had with this particular poster. I live in hope, but his track record in this sort of thread doesn't exactly help the odds.
     
    #30 deadwolfbones, Aug 16, 2019
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  11. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Not analogous. It isn't called the Bikini Atoll Bombing Beer Co....
     
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  12. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I am all for conversation and my intent is to keep it civil is all. Rather than blow up the thread arguing with someone I know won't ever agree with me I decided to be the better person and just let others talk.

    I never mocked anyone here by the way, I am fully aware of the topic and suffering that happened and continues to happen, with that said I don't see these cans mocking the situation is all. If anything maybe they will get some folks to read up on history and better understand it.

    :beers:
     
    #32 AZBeerDude72, Aug 16, 2019
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  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Understood at all levels. Your call. No fault found here.
     
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  14. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    This is exactly why I ended the conversation with you, I know your track record and how you love to paint people who don't agree with you 100%, your very words say it all.
    Cheers
     
    #34 AZBeerDude72, Aug 16, 2019
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  15. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    That is a perfectly valid point of view. But that doesn't change the fact that some people have strong emotional reaction. Try walking into a Synagogue waving a flag with a Swastika on it. I know some folks who would treat some things in that post I responded with the same emotional response. Try the mug pictures in the ways I recommended... as I said, folks in the Netherlands have some nice long memories they might choose to share with you.
     
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  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    hmmm, so how are you treating him??
     
    #36 drtth, Aug 16, 2019
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  17. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Ok, sure. Not exactly 1:1. But anyway, let's simplify and say it was simply a beer from a Saudi craft brewery called Twin Towers Triple IPA.

    You clearly don't know me very well, then. I have no beef with you personally, but I do have serious beef with the lazy, entitled, dismissive "why are people so upset about this thing that I'm not personally upset about" attitude that your first post in this thread embodies. (And that is basically everywhere in a certain sector of media/thought these days.)

    If you refuse to engage with the legitimate concerns of the people whose ancestral homelands were bombed during the US nuclear tests, and instead choose to paint it as "constant crying from the masses about everything offending" (which is certainly not the case in this instance) you serve no purpose in this thread except to soapbox your POV of "PC culture gone mad" or whatever.

    If you're interested in actually discussing the situation described in the OP, I'm here for it.
     
    #37 deadwolfbones, Aug 16, 2019
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  18. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    @drtth for the record, I appreciate your attempts to be a mediator in here.
     
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  19. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    If it had artwork of a plane flying into a building or a picture of 1 or more smouldering towers in evocation of the former World Trade Center it would be offensive regardless what country produced it. If it is called Twin Towers Triple IPA and has a picture of the World Trade Center not alluding to the bombings no problem. Bikini Atoll is a place that exists and to my knowledge stands separate from the Manhattan Project. Wasn't the Manhattan Project the concept of seeing if one could be made? By the time we were bombing the atolls I would assume that would be a different project name.

    Edit: A quick Google search- Operation Crossroads was the project for bombing Bikini Atoll.
     
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  20. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    That is literally the complaint, yes. From the Ministry of Health and Human Services of the Marshall Islands, linked by @Todd : "The bottom line is your product makes fun of a horrific situation here in the Marshall Islands - a situation, that I promise you is still ongoing - to make money for your company."

    Now, I'm not personally weighing in on the merit of being offended by the complaint. You can see those who were impacted by nuclear testing (unlike you or I, who were not) as overreacting. I am not even suggesting you are wrong to do so. (If, on the other hand, you are suggesting that no one else should find this offensive, simply because you don't ... well, I hope that's not the case.)

    But that is the complaint, 100%, yes. You likely didn't read the complaint, but even if you did, you are certainly free to disagree - and perfectly free to purchase their product because you think it looks cool (and hopefully, the beer inside is tasty!).

    I apologize if I came across strong earlier, but your original complaint touches a nerve with me. To whit: no one with any professional, academic background in history complains of whitewashing. Those who complain that history is somehow being whitewashed are exclusively those who are seeking to publicly celebrate otherwise deplorable moments in history (usually tied to bigotry), without reprisal or condemnation. The excuse that somehow, failing to celebrate the wrong side of history, will lead to it being forgotten (or repeated, as you originally suggested, misattributing to Churchill), is clearly and indefensibly false.

    Again, read the letter sent from the government of the Marshall Islands, and tell me they somehow are ignorant of the history of US atomic testing. They, clearly, have not forgotten, and they do not see it as anything less than offensive.

    If you want to defend your right to purchase the beer, cool! If you want to suggest you see nothing wrong with it, great! I will not disagree with you - not in the slightest!

    But please: do not pretend that simply because you are not offended or see nothing wrong with it, that others may not, and for the love of gawd, do not make pretensions and claims on behalf of my field when you clearly are not a part of it.
     
    #40 Roguer, Aug 16, 2019
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