Is barrel aged beer overpriced?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Filixius, Aug 17, 2019.

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  1. Filixius

    Filixius Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2019 New York

    Thank you for your responses, lots of good data and points of view indees.
    I mean overpriced compared to:
    1-Barrel aged vs non barrel aged beer: price difference is huge.
    2-Barrel aged in US vs barrel aged in Belgium where they are are experts at: I got beers aged up to 5 years for less than 7 eur there.
    3-Barrel aged beers vs other liquors aged for years.
    So mean I can get better value booze spending those usd20+ in something else.
    Anyway, I do like aged beers and have them from time to time, thanks for sharing your opinions! Cheers!
     
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  2. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    You seem to be making the error of assuming cost-based pricing, which would be expected in well-functioning commodities markets but not in markets in which consumers don't consider the products fungible, as is plainly the case in beer and liquor. You also seem to be underestimating the barrel-aging costs to typical small American breweries compared to much larger aged spirits producers, not that those costs should be expected to have a significant impact on the prices charged beyond the fact that producers are unlikely to market their wares at a loss. If you insist on focusing on costs of production, a better comparison point would be the products of American micro-distillers, which typically charge $25 or more per bottle for 2 or 3-years-aged whiskeys, and even they likely are better equipped to handle barrels (buying in bulk, constructed for storage space, etc.) than are most craft breweries.
     
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  3. Shanex

    Shanex Grand Pooh-Bah (4,960) Dec 10, 2015 France
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    You’re welcome. Your last sentence « from time to time » all make sense to us. Who would drink a $15 BBA beer every day? Unless you’re retired and a bit wealthy?

    Sorry for the false equivalence but I’m reminded of a « clever » (for once) meme/joke read a few days ago. Some non-smoking person tells a smoker: « come on dude, you’ve been smoking a pack a day for over 20 years whereas you could have bought a Ferrari. » Only to have the smoker reply: « sure dude, just tell me where’s your own Ferrari?
     
  4. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    How would we know that they’re over priced? I don’t have a clue what they pay for the bourbon barrels, there’s lots of competition so I’m sure the price moves up, then there’s maybe up to a year dwell time, and it takes up space. High risk on infection from the barrels I suppose is a factor too. Sure KBBS at $100 is a joke but a 4 pk of KBS for $22? Not a clue.
     
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  5. Alefflicted

    Alefflicted Crusader (481) Dec 2, 2017 Minnesota

    Short answer? Yes they certainly tend to be.
     
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  6. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Yes, no, sometimes and maybe.
     
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  7. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Thread title:
    Is barrel aged beer overpriced?

    Does it sell? Then the answer is no.

    Does it not sell? Then the answer is probably yes.

    Simple. Cost to produce doesn't matter.

    Costs matter to profit, not to whether or not a product is overpriced.
     
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  8. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Over priced could be a state of mind too, if I’m Mike Trout what the hell do I care what the price of anything is? I have a 40 mil a year job guaranteed for 10 years. If I’m a college kid that KBS even if it’s $20 doesn’t really work either, I’m drinking PBR most likely. So your analogy seems about right, if it sells out it’s marketprice, if it’s a shelf turd and it’s 2 years old it’s probably high for the market. KBS might be $22 some places, could be north of $30 in others.
     
  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Oh...D..arn. There you again bringing business reality into the picture...
     
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  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Over priced can definitely be state of mind as well... good examples BTW
     
  11. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Yeah, that's why I said "probably" and not "yes" to "doesn't sell".

    If I took KBBS to an NFL tail gate and tried to sell it for $200 a bottle, it most likely would not sell... wrong market. (Barring a beer nerd who knows what he sees...)
     
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  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Another production cost that has become part of the routine for better equipped breweries is to do microbiological testing on each barrel, for a variety of spoilage organisms. Some of these tests are to catch critters with long incubation time. Those won't show up in sensory testing until the beer is packaged and on the shelves.

    A well equipped lab, supplies, and the personal to run it all add up.
     
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  13. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    But cheaper than GI buying back million of dollars of beers. If it was me a pasteurize it and be done with it. So it’s not bottle conditioned, so what?
     
  14. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    And GI has long had such a testing lab or even also sent stuff out to bigger pro labs, but sometimes even then, "s*** happens."
     
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  15. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    That's a question that's pretty much impossible to answer because the price points of barrel aged beers vary so much. Is KBS overpriced? Probably not. Is KBBS overpriced? Most definitely.
     
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  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    That's your basic Business Admin 101 course. :slight_smile:
     
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  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    All of the QA costs show up. QA/QC programs are to catch quality "spills".

    Yes, buy backs and other campaigns are more expensive, and the hit to the reputation can't be easily repaired.
     
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  18. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    But, sells out in hours and has 10x pricing on the black market. So, no.
     
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  19. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    It seems like 11 months of time repaired the reputation for the Goose. Most of us have short memories.
     
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  20. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    You should read the Bourbons County 2019 thread. Still some anger out there.
     
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