Darkening Beers Through Extended Boiling

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  1. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I think that this approach does have merit. It should also produce Maillard products on its own, which would add to the flavor. I might give that a try. When you add the boiled first gallon back to the main batch, do you add another 3/4 gallon of water to make up the loss? Also, while boiling the gallon of wort, is the rest of the wort being boiled? Or do you just keep it heated?
     
  2. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    They would be on Weiss production, but not the others.

    Sure, I get it.
     
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  3. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota


    This is the "Scottish hack" while its fine, and whatever, IMO It won't be what you're after.
     
  4. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Maybe not entirely (especially in terms of flavor), but hopefully it should help with the color. I do think that the low-oxygen brewing approach will contribute more to the flavor profile.
     
  5. Steins_68

    Steins_68 Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2012 Illinois

    No. Design your recipe to hit your OG. Stop the lauter 1/4 of a gallon short of what is needed at pre-boil. When you add back the reduced wort you’ll hit the correct pre-boil volume. The only major risk is that the reduced wort will be more concentrated, therefore your pre-boil gravity may be a little high. But I ended up with a batch OG that was almost right on the mark. So it was never a factor.

    I boiled the gallon on a second burner while I continued to collect the rest of the wort in my kettle on the first burner (but the burner was not on). The timing is tricky and I didn’t do it perfectly. It took longer than I thought to reduce the gallon to 1/4 of a gallon. I lautered for 30 minutes and then had to wait to start boiling because the first gallon wasn’t finished being reduced. I would have been closer if I would have conducted a 60 minute lauter. It took every bit of this and probably more to reduce the gallon. I didn’t start the boil in the main kettle until I added back the reduced wort because I always take a pre-boil volume and gravity measurement. I like to do this before I turn on the heat.

    The beer is fermenting right now so I don’t have any tasting notes on the final product to share with you yet.

    Good luck.
     
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  6. Steins_68

    Steins_68 Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2012 Illinois

    I don’t know what a “hack” is, but the process was recently described in Brew Your Own magazine for darkening a wee heavy (a Scottish Ale). The author of the article (Gordon Strong) says that Michael Jackson described this process as a way that Traquair House created caramelizing flavors. The difference is that they used extended full wort boils of 3 hours.
     
  7. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Pehaps you have mentioned this somewhere before, but what is a typical mash schedue used by German brewers of a German Pils or Munich Helles? Thanks!
     
  8. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota


    They use HochKurz.
    2 rests with a mashout. 20-30 usually per rest. Temps are based on the malt analysis, which is how mashes work. Beers are mashed based on the MA and not a beer "style", this is a common misconception homebrewers make.
     
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  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    A brewery in the Detroit area makes a dark strong beer full of flavor. When I asked them they said it is just pale malt with a 5 hour boil. The beer is 4D from Kuhnhenn.
     
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  10. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Let us know how the taste and color ended up.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jeff, do you happen to know what type of brew kettle Kuhnhenn has (e.g., copper vs. stainless steel)?

    When I took my tour of Pilsner Urquell last month they 'emphasized' the attributes of their copper brew kettles in this regard.

    Cheers!
     
  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    I haven't been to their brewery in a while, but I remember stainless.
     
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  13. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    You will have to travel to Pilsen and kill some people...
     
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