Jackie O's 2019

Nah. Legitimately looking for answers. So feel free to share those links. But thanks for assuming.

 

It’s a joke to suggest that their prices are justified or cost keeps them high. $7 non BA bottle offerings were ridiculous. Their can price for DA are much more in line with...the industry.

I will never understand why Ohioans are such homers for JO to justify the overpriced ness of the offerings. You can enjoy something and still think it is overpriced - even while buying it. I am a BCBS fanboy. If Rare 3.0 comes out next year at $70 a bottle, I’ll believe it is overpriced and still try to buy 4, because I am sure that I’ll love it if it is as good as OG and 2015. Doesn’t mean I can’t say it’s way up there. That price isn’t justified, nor is JOs. Simple.

 

5.99 in Ohio which equates to $12/750 mL. Higher than some, cheaper than others. Are you saying that anything over $12/bomber is overpriced in the non-BA stout/barleywine world?

 

Yes? I mean they were basically 12oz bottles for $5.99. So it was a $24/4 pack. Which in my opinion is outrageous for just a regular stout.

 

This pretty much hits the nail on the head. Why should a stout be even close to that price? That isn’t ingredients making it that price, that’s just the brewery choosing to price it that way. Pure and simple.

Why anyone would defend that outrageous pricing is beyond me.

 

But they've changed the price, which I guess begs the question why you're still mad about it.

 

They have changed the price of a small amount of products. Actually, I am only aware of the price change on DA - nothing else. Pretty much everything should be cheaper. I am willing to give (the royal) you that it’s fine to charge a little more for BWs and BA BWs, since there are not that many producers out there (making high quality) products, but even those should only be lower. I’m not sure why a Non-BA BW should be much more than a stout.

I’m not mad, I’m just honest about the pricing. I do not feel there’s any reason to purposefully try to engender favor by writing my posts so that they are super cordial. All the homers aren’t going to listen no matter how logical the argument is. So, blunt it is. The prices are ridiculous, period. Hopefully Rev’s presence in Ohio, along with JOs contamination issues from the recent past, helps force JOs to start pricing competitively instead of pricing far higher than is required.

The problem, as I have said before, is that they are priced so high that they price themselves out of the Quantity game. I hardly ever buy them, because there are comparable quality options for 2-6 dollars less a bottle/can. There’s just no need to purchase quantity. However, if they just priced them competitively, I might buy 2, 3 or even 4 times as many. I suspect many others would too. Probably been that way for awhile. I have a hard time believing that - at least for the last couple years - they couldn’t have both increased revenue and profit by taking this approach.

 

Gotta make up for all that dumped beer somehow...

 

The prices haven’t changed since they launched 375’s in 2014.

And the guy above said the BW’s cost more than the stouts which isn’t true. Base brick kiln was priced the same as Oil and DA. Barreled aged version have all been $11.99 except heavy adjunct or double barrels being $15.99

I’m not defending the pricing, I too think it’s always been high. Just not fair to act like they raised prices to recoup lost profits on bad bottles.

 

Oh I know, just observing the fact that they've been dumping barrels upon barrels of what I assume to be fairly pricey, space-consuming beer for at least that long.

 

Fine. The prices are ridiculous. Don't buy it. Simple as that. If you're still having trouble with this concept, re-read what you typed above about Bourbon County. You think it's overpriced, but you're willing to pay it because you enjoy the product. If you can justify paying the price to the voice of reason in your own head, who cares what some other nerds online say about it? I personally think BCBS is overpriced for the value I get out of drinking it, so I don't buy it. I also don't complain about it over and over and over and over. We don't all enjoy the same things, which is why it's good that so many options are out there.

 

Sorry all. I really did not know this was such a sore subject. We can drop it. But seriously, if someone has a link to approximately where those past posts of Brad explaining are, I'd be happy to read on my own time.

 

You act like I’m trying to convince people to not buy it. I’m not. People can buy it all they want. In fact, I appreciate that so many people are such ardent supporters of a fairly local brewery. My only complaint is that so many people have always tried to argue that the prices are justified. -And that’s just not true.

I won’t say another thing on this topic, but thank you for actually admitting that the prices are ridiculous even if you are a homer and will keep buying. More power to you. Buy what you like; drink what you like.

 

Brad’s handle was beace here on BA, if you want to search for his old posts. Sorry don’t have any direct links for you.

 

It's only sore because being sore defines this group. Bring anything else up, same result. Not your fault. Other communities, as you well know, handle questions and criticisms much more gracefully.

 

And thank you for that 100% good-faith reading of what I wrote.

 

The problem here is that the burden to prove that their pricing is "far higher than what is required" is on you. Simply comparing a JO's beer to a similar beer from another brewery of a different size, in a different city in a different state does not prove JO's is higher than they need to be.

No one here knows what kind of overhead JO's have. What their costs are for raw materials, how they calculate the value of time and space for barrel aging. No one here is an accountant for them or has helped them file their taxes or even has ever worked there in any "in the know" facet, least of all you.

The so called "homers" (used in a derogatory sense when no one has done the same towards you) are just those of us with a wide enough scope to offer up talking points that maybe could be considerations they deal with over at JO's.

And as I've said before, price does matter, but if you're so prone to sticker shock then limited, high end, luxury alcohol isn't the hobby for you.

 

Well said.

 

Yes - homer is derogatory. It always is - that’s how it is used. Fanboy is the positive analog. It’s no secret that it is meant as a deragatory term.

The point in everything that I am saying is that there is an unusually staunch, blind following by Ohioans. Non-Ohioans don’t follow JO in this way. They actually criticize the beer and the costs where relevant. For some unknown reason, Ohioans won’t. This is even true for breweries in other states. For some reason, this thread has always been chock full of people that can’t criticize their own state brewery the way that other states criticize their own breweries. The closest thing I have seen to people being unwilling to criticize is SP and the locals to SP. -That’s at least marginally different, since SP is arguably better than JO by any measure you want to compare against. -And, arguably even most Ohioans would agree on this.

You don’t have to know the specifics to know the beer is overpriced. They exist in Athens, Oh. Not exactly a costly place to live or work or build a business. The only way you could try to justify those prices are by suggesting that problems the brewery faces (like dumping barrels), and the purchase of new equipment is subsidized by high prices alone. (Which is still a bad argument. The math works to lower price and increase sales volume to increase profit. And what’s more, it’s rare that a company exists only to increase prices over time without ever decreasing prices. That’s just now how it works. Prices normally decrease as they gain economies of scale, then increase later once they have enough business that they can raise prices without losing enough customers to continue adding profit just by increasing prices. This cones both in the form of passing along costs to customers and increased profit margins. JOs has done...almost none of those things. Just recent DA price change. ) if anyone is suggesting that $6/375 non BA bottles and $12-19 BA bottles is the only business model where JOs not only stays afloat, but also makes a profit, and maximizes their profit by doing so, then you’re just not familiar enough with the math. If that were true, it would (a) be bad news, and (b) we would not have seen the change in prices on DA.

Oh - and, I am obviously involved in this hobby heavily. It’s just silly to say this might not be for me. My unwillingness to spend $12 on a bottle of JOs (specifically) is not at hand. The cost of beer (broadly, as a Luxor’s good) has nothing to do with my criticism. I am obviously willing to spend the money. I would also be willing to spend MORE money on JOs than I already do IF their prices were more reasonable. I bought a case this summer when I was nearby - I drove 4 hours (2 each way) just to do so. I obviously like their beer and will throw my money at them. None of this changes the fact that their prices are ridiculous for a lot of their bottle offerings.

 

Ugh, shut up about this, if you don't like the price, don't buy it. What does complaining get you? Their shelf riding bottles are not going to magically drop in price. Just don't buy them. If you think ohio is jerking off Jackie o bottles, then why aren't they selling out at every local store? Pretty sure they are collecting dust next to the jolly pumpkin or whatever bottles that rock out the shelf for a year. I must be missing the homer side of the argument based on what I see at the store, so shut up about that too.