Night Shift - egos & nepotism

Wow quite a thread this has become. The term whistleblower has been thrown around a lot on this thread as well as who to trust. The issue is that the OP is not a whistleblower. She has presented things which are generally opinion and perspective based. This also cuts to the heart of why this issue is different than the Trillium issue. With Trillium we were presented with things which are not opinions such as the pay rate cuts and serving trub beer.

This doesn't mean she is not presenting a truthful account or that Rob is not a shitty manager/owner. Clearly she's had a poor experience as an employee of NSB. Others have shared facts about what's happened over the years at NSB but the interpretation of those facts is based on perspective as well as details we don't know.

At the end of the day we can't really come to any conclusion on this situation. We know that there are probably unhappy current and ex-employees of NSB. Any one who has been at a company that has gone through growth cycles knows that the company and culture does change. Generally its not for the good but it also doesn't generally mean that it becomes a bad place to work. It may not be a good place for all people to work at. Whether the issues are endemic will generally shake themselves out over time and determines whether a company will continue to grow or not. It affects the quality of the employees over time. Good luck to the OP and good luck to NSB.

 

This thread may not be constructive in any way, shape, or form but by God it is entertaining.

 

I’m curious what the OP was hoping to happen by posting?

 

Not saying this is the case, but for all we know the OP never even worked for Nightshift and simply doesn't like the company. And their only goal was to stir the pot.

Welcome to the internet!

 

OMG take it down a notch.

 

WTF is a cancel culture?? And grapevine loving fanboys? Please explain these terms to this not even Boomer.

We live in a "employment at will" workplace. Look at your employment contract, guaranteed those words are in there. That means you can leave at will and get laid off at the will of the employer. Period. We also live in a very tight employment environment. Good employees are nearly impossible to find. Trust me, I have postings out there right now for qualified employees in my industry. If you're adding value to the company, you are not getting fired. And while Rob may be the owner of the company he does have one very important boss, EBITA. These higher up managers he hired were probably taking up way too much employment expense vs their contribution to growing the company. That's just how it works. So please, stop your complaining and go get a job that empowers you and makes you whole. I'm sure there's one out there for you and I'm sure someone would love your job.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

Hard to take OP seriously when he or she comes on here and creates an account with the sole purpose of being vindictive and anonymously trashing the Brewery. And then when others are also creating an account to do the same it really seems orchestrated and suspicious. I hope they come back and give us a little more insight but wouldn't be surprised if they never logged into this site again.

 

Notch is my favorite!

Not trying to be difficult, but did you mean EBIDTA? Just making sure you didn’t mean some other acronym.

But otherwise, completely agree with that statement.

 

I was close enough, it sounds the same (well, actually it's the t that is silent when you pronounce it)

And while my statement might have been the far capitalistic view, of course there needs to be some human aspect to the employer/employee dynamic and maybe that's where NSB could use some work. But I haven't heard of any Employment practice liability lawsuits out there and if they're that bad, they wouldn't have any employees, and it certainly seems that's not the case. It just sounds to me like someone didn't get their participation trophy this year.

OK, that's more than my 2c, I'll shut up now...

 

People, there doesn’t need to be lawsuit level conditions for a place to be just as horrible environment to work in. Let’s be real, there were no legal ramifications to the Trillium is Suez/allegations either.

 

Any updates @banjoplayer2020 ?

 

Tons of breweries are shitty toxic work places. Craft consumers don't care for the most part. Founders is still the freshest beer in my local supermarket, Melvin is still selling out at my local bougie shop, people are still flocking to other places with racial, sexual, environmental, and workers rights problems.

The majority of beer consumers aren't in the know and many of the ones who are, aren't going to take stand against beer they like to drink.

Oh well, air your grievances and get your resume out there. Not different than most businesses.

 

Not that we know of.

 

Violations are public records, surely someone would have taken the chance to let it be known that they were slapped with violations. Probably would have done it with glee.

 

Sorry, "don't like a job? Quit." is a classic boomer response. Easier said than done. Some people have families to support and can't just walk away without another job lined up. And that can be difficult. Took me years to find a job while being treated poorly at the current one. And I have a very solid resume.

 

Rob -

It's nice to have a list of great benefits (they are impressive) offered, but that doesn't matter as much if you treat your employees poorly. Employees that are on edge/anxious all the time waiting for the hammer to fall is not a recipe for long term success. I've worked in environments like this and it never ends well.

Just keep that in mind. For the record, I help manage a prominent business in MA. In addition to solid benefits, upper management/ownership are very approachable. Doesn't matter who you are.

 

*Warning, Insurance talk follows*

No, not really, depends on what type of "violations" you're talking about. Most EPLI claims (unlawful termination, Sexual misconduct, discrimination) are closed before they get filed in the courts. Fired employee gets a lawyer, they send a demand letter to the employer, employer sends it to the insurance company and assign their own lawyer and the lawyers come up with a settlement, or not... The "public" will never know about it.

Signed - Boomer

 

Why do you assume he's a bad boss? Based solely on 2 posters on a basically anonymous forum? I honestly don't see any reason to believe either side because we aren't privy to the true story going on here. Just seems odd to take sides in this story when we just have hearsay.

With regards to your other post, it is kind of a crappy statement to say "If you don't like your job just quit". I will agree with you there, its easier said than done to just quit a job. That being said the OP does need to realize the difference between having a bad manager and being mistreated. Finding out that the person who runs a company undermines his employees, hires family members, and might use demeaning language to some of his employees doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to all of a sudden stop buying from a company. If that were the case I wouldn't be doing business with lots of places.

Founders was a different case, from what has been publicly released he was mistreated and it was racially motivated. That certainly starts to affect how much I want to do business with them. Now the question is whether they learn from this and become a better company or is racism ingrained within most of the people involved in the company. I don't regularly buy Founders but I did purchase CBS a month or two ago. This topic of "what would make you stop doing business with a brewery" is more complex than this thread so I won't delve too deeply but I think for most people it takes a lot to stop buying from a brand you enjoy. Its easy to justify things and compromise your ethics when you are far removed from the situation.

 

Thanks for the feedback. I'm not assuming he's a bad boss (though I understand interpreting my post that way). I just thought responding with a list of benefits when someone calls you out for treating employees poorly is rather interesting (though something I've seen before). He did address the "treating employees unfairly" thing a little further down his post (somewhat).

To your point there are 2 sides to every story. The OP could very well have been a sub-par employee, and is now trying to cause havoc. We'll never know.