Night Shift - egos & nepotism

You are correct it is a bit weird to respond with a list of benefits to being called out for poor treatment. Its kind of apples and oranges. You can be a great employer but a horrible manager. You can even be a great person and a horrible manager.

 

Was talking about the only allegation against Trillium that held legal implications, the slushies.

 

The wage and hour allegations also held (maybe still hold) legal implications - I can't imagine that retail workers are considered customarily tipped employees. I'm not familiar with the MA FLD's adminstrative procedure though it's likely to be similar to what @pbrian outlined above.

I don't recall the general public having much insight into Trillium's licensing issues back in 2014. I believe most of the information came directly from the owners. If Trillium hadn't been forced to closed back then, I wouldn't be surprised if we never learned about it. Just because stuff becomes public record doesn't mean anyone cares enough to track it down.

 

Thank you for running with this ball, I give up.

 

Yeah, but there really isn't a way to prove you're a good manager on a forum. So, provide some facts.

 

As do I!

 

5 days since the angry banjo player has been on. I'm guessing she's with @pbrian and @nesarebad gave up

 

Im advising her how to get fired in a way so she can turn around and sue them. Not publicly of course, we don’t want @nesarebad to know

 

Is this sarcasm?
I am asking honestly.

 

Sarcasm meter broken?

 

If true, yes that does suck. But, honestly, these are simply things that can happen at any larger company.

Also, it sounds like you're still working there. If you were asked not to post on the forums, how is posting your conversation with them (asking you not to post on forums) going to help matters?

If you don't mind me asking, have you worked at large corporations in the past?

 

doesn’t the place employee ~200 people? I wouldn’t class that as large(r). and I guess if they want to keep posting here they can - doesn’t sound like whatever town hall type thing that happened helped alleviate any concerns

If you read past the first sentence it should be pretty clear no?

 

220 to be exact.

But there's more coming...

And I would assume a lot more. Seeing as they're opening their largest facility yet in Philly this year. But they're a "larger" company in my eyes. Relative to other breweries in the area. They're far beyond a Mom and Pop brewery. With all the benefits listed and an HR department.

They're also operating a multi-faceted company. Beyond the brewery there's a distribution company, a roastery, a food truck, and a restaurant at Love Joy.

Are they Google? No. But they're not Idle Hands either.

 

Right - but a) they’re not currently anything remotely approaching large. And b) whether it’s 200 or 20,000, I think an employee is allowed to feel frustrated. Not quite following the “have you ever worked at a large company?” questioning. I’ve worked at four companies in my career ranging from 40 to 230,000. In order from best to worst in terms of being a positive employee experience / good culture:

1. 35,000 person company
2. 40 person company
3. 230,000 person company
4. 150 person company

Maybe the OP is a trouble-making, disgruntled employee - where everyone is going “urgh that’s definitely Sheila posting on BA can they just fire her already”. Maybe Rob is a tyrannical turd who spouts hot air on here. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. In either case I don’t see how it’s correlated to size or why the implication from many is that the OP just doesn’t “get” working at a large/growing place.

 

I guess but what a horrible way to use it. If I were her boss I would fire her just for that.

 

yeah I agree. Weirdly worded for sure

 

@AlcahueteJ - I would also add that regarding the two smaller organizations I worked at, both of those listed headcounts were the number of people at each company at the point when I joined.

The 40 person place is now almost at 80, and by the end of this year expects to be at 100. Only one person was pushed out in the process of growing (and without exception all employees agreed it was the right move - overdue if anything), otherwise they kept all employees engaged/motivated and it’s been handled very well.

The 150 person place however was a different story. Until only a couple of years before I joined they had been a quarter of the size. They totally f’d up their growth, alienating a lot of key people in the process. Rather than listen to the feedback they (management) became entrenched in their position. The place is now less than half that size and on the ropes.

TL;DR - growth is not always good. And the “hard” decisions made by people running the show are not necessarily good ones

 

Absolutely, and let me clarify, as my question was ambiguous.

Of course you're allowed to feel frustrated, my first response to her last post was, "If true, yes that does suck". I think we've probably all felt frustrated at a job before. I'm definitely not saying this is right (again, if true).

But my question was more aimed at trying to determine the OP's level of experience in the work force. For example, you appear to have lots of experience with companies of various sizes.

The "large" part was because frustrations and issues like these...

...seem to be issues that I've noticed working at a company of at least Nightshift's size, not a local restaurant with maybe 50 people.

I don't know the details of each company you worked at, but I would note that the company with 150 people, had problems when they began to grow.

Nightshift is a company that is larger than that and still growing. I doubt this was an issue when Nightshift was only in Everett.

Moreover, I'd also note that when issues like this were prevalent, you mentioned the company is now less than half the size and struggling. I also assume that you're no longer at this company. I don't know the reasons you left, but perhaps these growing pains played into it.

Nightshift certainly does not appear to be that company. They're continuing to grow and be successful, at least as far as we can all tell. So I would question the validity, or at least the accuracy, of these complaints.

 

I don’t know exactly what to make of the specifics here, but I’ll just say that you NEVER hear this kind of shit coming from say, Allagash, another brewery in the same ballpark of size. If your employees feel like management sucks, it means management has done something wrong to make people feel that way. Doesn’t mean management is evil or intentionally treats its employees like shit, but at a minimum, it isn’t doing enough to make them feel valued or something is getting lost in translation, and it would behoove the owners to think long and hard about their employment practices.