What happened to Dunkelweizen?

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  1. rodndtube

    rodndtube Zealot (643) Feb 24, 2007 Maryland
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    Absolutely, e.g., the very wonderful Weihenstephaner Vitus.
     
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  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Exactly, so I think BA needs to reassess their definition, don't you?
     
  3. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    Yes, weizenbocks can be pale ("helles"/"heller"/"bright"), dark ("dunkel"/"dunkles"/"dunkler"), or somewhere in between, just like lower-strength German wheat beers and non-wheat bocks. I'm not sure why the definition here specifies that it's "a bigger and beefier Dunkelweizen." CraftBeer.com uses the same definition but then lists SRM as low as 4.5 as acceptable, which falls into the high end of the pilsner range.
     
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  4. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Grand Pooh-Bah (3,271) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    Here's what the BJCP has to say about weizenbocks: "A Weissbier brewed to bock or doppelbock strength. Schneider also produces an Eisbock version. Pale and dark versions exist, although dark are more common. Pale versions have less rich malt complexity and often more hops, as with doppelbocks. Lightly oxidized Maillard products can produce some rich, intense flavors and aromas that are often seen in aged imported commercial products; fresher versions will not have this character. Well-aged examples might also take on a slight sherry-like complexity. Stronger and richer than a Weissbier or Dunkles Weissbier, but with similar yeast character. More directly comparable to the Doppelbock style, with the pale and dark variations. Can vary widely in strength, but most are in the bock to doppelbock range."
     
  5. rodndtube

    rodndtube Zealot (643) Feb 24, 2007 Maryland
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    Likely so! Not sure about how one would place the Schneider Weiss Eisbock, a QuadBockWeissen bier? What a tasty item so smooth. Hard to believe is weighs in at 12% as I usually don't care for most beers in the high 7's and up with a heavy alcohol taste.
     
  6. Dan_K

    Dan_K Pooh-Bah (1,980) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    It's just not a popular beer style. Breweries are hoping to make beers that sell well.
     
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  7. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Great Lakes is behind jump-starting a forgotten style.

    There are many German breweries still making this style, regardless of following trends, I think they're the beers the OP is most wondering about. Before beer drinkers turned shallow with their favorites the shelves were abundant with various styles. It's a shame what's perceived as best sellers.
     
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  8. Dan_K

    Dan_K Pooh-Bah (1,980) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    I reject the notion that anyone is shallow if they don't like dunkelweizen or certain classic styles. I like hazy IPAs sure, but I also enjoy a great pilsner, Berliner Weiss, or foreign import stout.

    Also the great lakes beer has chocolate, coffee, and citrus added- sounds good to be honest.
     
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  9. RochefortChris

    RochefortChris Grand Pooh-Bah (3,271) Oct 2, 2012 North Carolina
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    I would argue the current vogue in craft beer is shallow which drives breweries to all but abandon classic styles in favor of whatever is popular
     
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  10. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Good, because that's not what I said.
     
  11. 57md

    57md Grand Pooh-Bah (3,033) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I love dark beers but I tend to like a higher abv when I go dark with lagers or ales.

    In this style, Tap 6 Aventinus is about all that I really need. It's a staple for my Easter meal.
     
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  12. lastmango

    lastmango Maven (1,487) Dec 11, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Just bought a 4 pack and paid $24. Did not check the beer first because I trust GL. Realized afterward that they added stuff. Bummer. The beer still tastes good but it is not traditional. Today I went to a distributor in another town and saw the same 4 pack for $9.99. Big damn bummer.
     
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  13. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    What the hell? That’s a HUGE price difference.
     
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  14. Jacobier10

    Jacobier10 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,102) Feb 23, 2004 New Jersey
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    $24 for a 4-pack of dunkelweizen 12 oz bottles? If I saw that I would kindly leave and do my beer purchasing elsewhere.
     
  15. lastmango

    lastmango Maven (1,487) Dec 11, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Yes . . . a huge difference. Rip off!!! The sad thing is the store with the inflated price that I bought it at, which sells pizza and subs, is owned by the same person that owns my favorite pub next door. I will not be buying beer from the pizza place again.
     
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  16. lastmango

    lastmango Maven (1,487) Dec 11, 2014 Pennsylvania

    I thought it was high but I had never seen this beer in town and I love Great Lakes beer. So, now I know it is not GL, just the damn store.
     
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