Traders Backing Out Of Agreed Trades

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by SierraNevallagash, Apr 19, 2020.

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If a trader agrees to a trade, is he or she responsible for following through?

  1. YES - Regardless of the situation, you keep your word and complete the trade

    68.3%
  2. NO - Regardless of the situation, you can jump ship at any point

    9.8%
  3. YES - Only if money is spent at the trader's request

    17.1%
  4. NO - Even if money is spent at the trader's request

    4.9%
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  1. forum8417

    forum8417 Zealot (715) Feb 1, 2011 New Jersey
    Trader

    Here we go again with @SierraNevallagash. He ss only going to give his side of the story, he'll prop himself up to look like the victim, and it will take over a week for him to say the users name, potentially causing other people to deal with the other trader. I am extremely interested in hearing the other guys side of this.

    Hopefully this can be part II of the @SierraNevallagash bad trader book i plan on making hard copy versions of.
     
  2. MattOC

    MattOC Pooh-Bah (2,100) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Per usual, who knows the truth, and you know, we’re always twisting his words. I don’t think he realizes most of what he says/types. If you go to the original post regarding the Bardus bottle(s) he made the post before he had the bottles in hand. I guess he considered them “guaranteed.”

     
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  3. forum8417

    forum8417 Zealot (715) Feb 1, 2011 New Jersey
    Trader

    In exchange for an "expensive" favor. He does this to try to prop up his bottles, hoping that he can land his Whalez.

    Whoever trades with this guy is taking a huge risk and its just not worth it. So many other people trading swish and dinner.
     
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  4. MattOC

    MattOC Pooh-Bah (2,100) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    No, no, you have it all wrong. There are people out there who will give up bigger bottles out of the kindness of their heart. Sure it happens, but for him, it happens ALL the time. We don’t know.

    Case in point, the original Fou Foune post, which has since been edited, asked if someone had an “extra laying around and would be generous” and he would make up the difference in $ “within reason.” Love that rationale, you be generous and I match it within reason.

    Again, we likely have it all wrong and are piling on in a public thread where he is asking for feedback.
     
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  5. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I was thinking this, didnt post it, good for you in doing this!
     
  6. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
    Trader

    I'll guess I'll just bang 'em all out in one reply here.
    I literally gave a colleague an entire paycheck of mine. Those bottles were guaranteed. He had some event ticket or something. Hence why I didn't get my limit. I knew nothing about Bardus at the time.
    Yes, you do. And yes, I did say, "if anyone has an extra that they're willing to trade, I will make it worth it. I offered to be extra generous - what a terrible thing to say.
    And you're right again.
    Aren't you the guy who posted a trade for hand sanitiser? My bottles needed no "propping up". I didn't say, "Hey, I paid over $400 for these bottles, so therefore I need X for them". I explained why I was posting a trade super early, and that they would be availible x/x/xx. There's no risk in trading with me. I don't post "FT - Hand Sanitiser".
    Didn't you delete that trade the next day?
     
  7. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
    Trader

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  8. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
    Trader

    @John_M So I've given the trader a last nudge in reply to his final message, and gave him enough points to clarify anything that he's failed to clarify, which from my point of view is essentially everything. Without sharing his name, I sent screenshots to a few people of the conversation from start to finish, and all of them seem to think this is pretty cut and dry. Since this isn't a BT thread, and I don't want to make it one, I can either give you his name here, or I can publicly post my bad trader list on my profile, which I've considered doing for a while. It's ultimately your call.
     
  9. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
    Trader

    FTFW
     
  10. TomFoolery_x

    TomFoolery_x Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Illinois
    Trader

    Not really sure what the problem here is. You clearly have some sort of perverse hard-on for Eric, for reasons unbeknownst to me. I understand not being a fan of his overly verbose posts but you and a handful of other Beer “Advocates” follow him around these forums and shit on his posts for seemingly nothing.

    I just finished up a trade with Eric last week and there was no risk, no complications. Just a smooth trade and we both ended up happy. If you’ve never traded with him and don’t know him personally why go out of your way to attack him? Because you don’t like his posts? Isn’t it just simpler to ignore his content? Or is your life that boring you feel the need to gang up on a guy on the internet?
     
  11. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    It's actually your call to make. You've been thru this before, and I believe you're aware of the criteria we feel needs to be met in order to start a BT thread. At this point you're the only person who is wholly familiar with what transpired.

    If you're unable to get any cooperation from your trading partner and you feel the circumstances warrant it, then I would say you should consider starting a BT thread. At this point I'm fairly sure you're familiar with what that's going to entail.
     
  12. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Two bad trader threads by him in a couple of months, the last one which his antics got him on many people's DNT lists. 99.9% of us have never had one bad trader thread, let alone two. Maybe everything he says here is true, maybe not, but really strange he is now part of two.

    Also, he put a lot of us who tried to help him on last thread on his DNT list and at one point had it public on his profile, not cool! I suspect he even blocked a lot of us too.

    Screw this guy.
     
  13. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
    Trader

    One bad trader thread, where a guy literally robbed a $130 box for over 2 months.

    For maybe 10 minutes, just to note who was entirely out of line and who to avoid possibly being scammed by. Deleted it in minutes, because no, it's not cool. Tell that to @MattOC who has me on his.

    I have one person blocked.



    Right back at you.
     
    #33 SierraNevallagash, Apr 20, 2020
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  14. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
    Trader

    The guy's name is Skrip. I'm not moving forward with a BT thread. I won't get anything out of it, and the guy made it clear he has no immediate plans to follow through, and apparently doesn't even have the bottle that was offered. Suggested I just keep the beer, because he isn't accepting boxes and won't have the beer for a while. Hoped for an alternative bottle, but said he's not doing any trading. As far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this whole thing. Let it be a warning to everyone else.

    Apparently I'm a risky trader according to less than a dozen people who haven't traded with me (they're obviously the experts, of course), and if the guy wants to back out, what can I do? Anyone who's actually talked with me knows what I'm about, so if there are 11 or so clowns who have a problem with me, then let them. While they treat BA as a social media platform for comment storms and trolling, I'll continue to be an active member of the community and contribute what I can to a hobby and craft I love.
     
  15. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    And the guy one the other thread was infuriated at you. Lo and behold here we go again, another person bailing on you. Maybe you have bad luck, or maybe the way you go about things increases the odds of this kind of thing happening to you. Name the trader here and let the chips fall where they may, or jerk around the people who comes to these kinds of threads to help people.

    The only person out of line on your DNT list is the person who created it, you! Not the people who tried to help you.
     
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  16. UcDru

    UcDru Maven (1,363) Aug 15, 2013 Ohio
    Trader

    In my opinion:

    If the trader committed to the trade the trade feedback system should have been used and a trade officially initiated. Especially if trader A is going to spend money on beer that they later would consider "wasted" hypothetically of course.

    That is literally what the system is for. It also prevents any kind of misunderstanding that a trade is agreed upon or not between trader A and trader B.

    ^ to me the above is pretty cut and dry no trade was accepted. It would be great to hear the other person's side of the story.....
     
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  17. UcDru

    UcDru Maven (1,363) Aug 15, 2013 Ohio
    Trader

    @Skrip Do you have insight on this interaction? I see he/she has 189 trades documented all with very positive feedback.
     
  18. jdimento

    jdimento Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2014 Texas
    Trader

    As a bad trader myself, I have to say I totally get it. Based on the constant complaining and pages upon pages of useless posts every week, I kinda wanna initiate a trade with you just to back out of it. I’m not sure if it’s paid off over the last year or not but man I get tired of watching you cry foul on every shelfies for whales trade you try to sneak in and hope someone feels sorry for you and sends you something. Just make decent trades and be generous and it will come back on you tenfold. Just a tip, but I know how you feel about those...
     
  19. SierraNevallagash

    SierraNevallagash Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2018 Maine
    Trader

    I'll definitely remember to never report a bad trader, should I ever encounter one in the future. Since it clearly isn't appreciated by the community, perhaps I should just silently let them off the hook, so you can all deal with them yourselves, and I can come to your thread and have all my buddies pile on it as well.
     
  20. UcDru

    UcDru Maven (1,363) Aug 15, 2013 Ohio
    Trader

    Just to be clear are you labeling @Skrip a bad trader? I get that you don't want to start a BT thread I am just trying to understand the facts.
     
    #40 UcDru, Apr 20, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2020
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