Goodbye, Michelob Original Lager.

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Scottsbeer, Apr 27, 2020.

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  1. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Not that it should be ignored or that I would try to persuade you to buy AB beers, but as someone that has been directly impacted by their tactics for almost 10 years now, I still will buy their beers. I've seen enough crappy stuff from craft brewers that I'm just going to drink what I like because I don't have time to vet every single one equally. From taking advantage of employees, partnership disputes with hostile takeovers, sexual harassment in the work place, bribing distributors (yeah, it happens at the small brewery level too), tap handle bounties, keg theft, lying about ABV, ingredients, recipes, etc, all of which I would rank as being equally as bad or worse than anything I've seen from AB, I just don't see how I could try to take a moral stance by boycotting AB and not do so with a large number of craft breweries as well and frankly, I don't have the time to dig and find out which ones should be boycotted if I were to try to take that high ground.
     
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  2. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I'm aware those things all happen in the industry, but that's just normal competition I would argue. I'm not condoning it (particularly the sexual harassment), and I think it's unfortunate (and wish it didn't happen), but I don't feel as if the culprits are singling out or targeting a particular brewery or segment of the industry with this sort of behavior (but I don't have your experience and background, so maybe I'm just being a bit naïve when I say that).

    Over the years, I feel as if AB has come to terms to some extent with the craft beer industry, and realize that craft beer is here to stay. My impression is that they're likely still not happy about it, but they're realists, and have found a way to coexist with craft beer (primarily by buying a majority interest in certain craft breweries). At least that's my impression of their current strategy. That being said, they weren't quite so "broadminded" about the microbrewery industry back in the 80's and early 90's, and in fact I was living in California when AB started insisting that local distributors stop carrying microbrews or face the prospect of not being able to carry AB product (which back in the 80's, would have been a death sentence for any distributor). It was one of a number of pretty despicable actions taken by AB back then in an effort to "encourage" consumers to stop buying those silly, overpriced microbrews and come to their senses (embracing the good old days, when consumers were content with the landscape of AAL swill that was pretty much all that was available).

    Personally, I have never forgotten that behavior, nor have I forgotten the pretty bleak beer landscape in the 70's (which I have no wish to ever return to). As I mentioned in my post, I'm a very big fan of craft beer (with all it's flaws and questionable behavior), and so it seems only natural (to me) that I would not want to give my money to a company that has worked so hard over the years to marginalize or completely eliminate something I so enjoy. So yes, for all those reasons I will continue to avoid purchasing AB products. The fact I find most AB beer to be pretty lackluster, listless stuff, makes it all the more easy to maintain that stance.

    I would add that I'm not trying to proselytize here... this is just my own feelings about the matter, based on my experiences over the years. I would encourage others to reach their own conclusions based on their own personal experiences.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  4. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    LOL! You and I are of a similar age Jack (at least I think we are), and my guess is that a lot of the behavior/conduct exhibited by AB all those years ago, you likely recall as well.

    Have you forgotten about it?
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yup, my memory does indeed still work despite my 'advanced' age!:stuck_out_tongue:

    There is no way that I can personally condone the business practices of BIG beer in the past but IMO Weedy (@honkey) applies some proper context in that it was (is) not just BIG beer that conducts business in less than morally favorable ways. Should I stop purchasing Founders beers as a point of example?

    FWIW, Weedy and I have a similar stance here in that I do not 'boycott' AB brewed beers. Instead I purchase beers I enjoy drinking (e.g., BCBS).

    Cheers!

    P.S. The whole Eric the clown allusion was more intended for levity (tongue in check) reasons.
     
  6. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I'll be the first to admit that the fact I dislike most everything AB makes, tends to make it a lot easier to try to hold the moral high ground in this case. If I liked their beer more, that might not be nearly so easy. As I mentioned, I do buy BCBS on occasion, so I'm not completely fanatical about my purchasing habits. Definitely a bit of a slippery slope in my case.

    My buying policy is, I suspect, much like yours. I generally try to buy local, unless there's a particular style that I don't feel any local brewery does well (like dunkel weizens and weizenboks, where I live). In those instances, I'll then try to buy the best version I can of the style, wherever it's made. In the case of AB, I can't think of one beer style where they make a beer that's superior to the local product. Even GI BCBS, I happen to think Fremont Brewing in Seattle makes a much better product. I still buy BCBS beer for old times sake (as I have a lot of good memories involving this beer), but that's really the only AB product I buy with any regularity or consistency.

    As it turns out, my purchasing practices have resulted in what amounts to essentially a boycott of AB products. Let's just say I find that to be a very pleasant coincidence.
     
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  7. hottenot

    hottenot Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2018 North Carolina

    How I wish this lineup was still around. InBev made a Big Mistake.

    Cheers disgruntled Michelob Lager fans.
     
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  8. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Personally, I think that's the best reason to not buy their stuff, but I certainly wouldn't try to persuade you on the other stuff. I just happen to believe that their beer is generally good and that even with their sometimes shady practices, it's not worse than we see from anyone else in pretty much any business or industry. I also find it pretty easy to compete with them even when I was dealing with some very prohibitive laws that worked to their advantage back in Alabama.


    If you said you were going to (at least for the reason I think you're referencing), I would urge you to see if you could learn more about it... There was a lot more to that story than was told or than will ever become public. The knee jerk reaction for a lot of people (including myself) was to blast away and it's sad that people (again, including myself) react that way with little to no information available.
     
  9. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    I have to laugh at the number of people standing in line with a wad of cash they will soon hand over in the Bourbon County release lines who fervently "hate" or "boycott" AB. That said, I understand.

    In Chicago, beer is pretty cutthroat. I hate Reyes for their role in chasing Bell's (they and Boulevard are now with the AB distributor and doing well) out of Chicago. New Glarus was chased out via Southern Wine & Spirits, and still haven't returned to our state, a big loss.

    Larry Bell addressed his problems with Reyes Distributing both and Illinois, and now in Virginia and in recent ask me anything thread. I either buy the brands they carry direct from the breweries, or avoid as best as possible. There are brands I no longer drink without leaving the state. It's sad, but thankfully there are great alternatives. It's takes time and effort to avoid larger beer corporations and distributors, as their lineups and contracts continuously change. It's easier to boycott a company such as Amazon / Whole Foods, since they are easily identifiable and you can find alternatives.
     
  10. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Haha, and I was going to reply to your post by saying, "He probably drinks BCBS..."

    And then...

    @John_M no ill will though, I get it. Just having some fun.

    Yes, thank you. This is exactly how I feel as well. It's good to hear that from someone in the industry.

    You also left out the most egregious crime of all that a craft brewer can commit...labeling a beer a "Pilsner" that isn't even close to one. :wink:

    Exactly. I extend this out to any business or industry as well. I don't have the time or energy to sift through ALL the information for every business I purchase products from, whether it's beer or a car. And who knows who owns who these days.

    Also...

    There's no way to know the entire story, in any instance. We're only privy to the information that leaks to the media.

    I'm not going to make a purchasing decision based on only SOME of a story. And this is on a macro level, not specifically just the Founders incident.
     
  11. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    Agree. Loved that bottle the perforated foil and twist off cap. Last memory of that bottle was late 90’s.
     
  12. Ronmarley1

    Ronmarley1 Savant (1,187) Jan 20, 2014 Ohio
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    They always had a standing bet at my corner tavern in the old neighborhood. If you could get all of the red, you got a free beer. Never saw it happen.
     
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  13. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    Plenty on the shelf in Minneapolis.
     
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  14. Scottsbeer

    Scottsbeer Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2017 Florida
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    It is no longer available in my area as stated in the OP and I have noticed over the years it has become more and more scarce. Since this was my go to for a gas station beer that had a little more flavor than the majority of AALs I guess I will just keep Yuengling in the refrigerator as a gas station beer and not drive the 1550 miles to Minneapolis to grab a 12 pack.
     
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  15. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Bought a 6pack. It does have a good malty taste with an appreciable hop bitterness. I like it.
     
  16. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    Bill i always liked the Michelob Light better also,i think you had mentioned that also, I never see that bottle ,is it also on the shelf out there in the west?
     
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  17. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    You will do fine with Yuengling. Come on up in the winter for a visit.
     
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  18. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Yep, I preferred the Michelob Light but haven't seen it in years. I wish it was as available as that damn Ultra.

    Edit: I see 2 reviews in 2019 then it goes 2018, 2017...
     
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  19. CarolinaCardinals

    CarolinaCardinals Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,231) Jun 11, 2003 North Carolina
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    @honkey
    Weedy, Dreher's finally made it up to Phoenix this week and my palette wanted me to send along a message to you to thank you for all the time you put into making this one of the best lagers i have enjoyed in my 40 plus years of enjoying beer! Cheers! Tom
     
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  20. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Glad you were able to get it up there and glad you enjoyed it!