Normative Guidelines for Collaboration Beer Names Are Needed

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by woodychandler, Jul 19, 2018.

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  1. LiquidAmber

    LiquidAmber Grand Pooh-Bah (5,734) Feb 20, 2009 Washington
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    Coming from a background that included some data entry and database design, that would seem to be the ideal solution, but I've always felt that adding fields here was not on the table. From a database point of view, that would make them searchable too, which would be more awkward in a notes field.
     
  2. VoodooBear

    VoodooBear Maven (1,362) Aug 25, 2012 Puerto Rico
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    Copy that. Thanks!
     
  3. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Is there somewhere in the Help that defines how currently collaboration beers should be named when adding to the database? Is it still being left out of the name and only in the notes?
     
  4. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    The name of the beer is the name of the beer. Collaborating breweries are listed in the notes.
     
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  5. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    And ideally, for data purposes, there is a main brewer "with collaborators" though we know some collaborations are much more equal and end up with two entries: Brewery A (in collab w/Brewery B) and Brewery B (in collab w/Brewery A). Especially given the usually limited life of these beers, it'd be nice to be able to combine or at least link the separate entries.

    That said, it's not that big an issue, volume-wise - just a minor annoyance I felt like commenting on :slight_smile:
     
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  6. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Well, for tax purposes, the beer is credited to the brewery where it was made. That seems a good guideline here as well.
     
  7. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Sounds good, though taproom beers where it’s made/served in both locations could either not clear things up or not be readily available to the BA adding the beer. They’ll add it where they’re having it, most likely. I’ve actually requested a merge of such before without any visible change occurring - although I don’t think I requested an internal link in the notes.
     
  8. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    A beer is only made in one place. It is that breweries beer. If it is served at the other brewery, it should be listed as a guest tap. People are gonna people though, and we'll never completely get rid of duplicate entries.

    At least it's not UT, where I've seen the same beer listed 4-5 times.
     
  9. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    True - and I'll be honest, I like seeing the difference in ratings based on brewer under which the entry was made. That said, most of the beers I'm thinking of (local-local collab limited on-prem release) generally have so few ratings as to draw any true "conclusions," which is also why it's a small issue, as mentioned.
     
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  10. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    The beer should only be listed under the brewery where the beer is made (or in the rare cases of gypsy brewers, the brewery who labels/distributes the beer).
     
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  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    To clarify, beers should ALWAYS be listed under the (beer marketing) company that owns the brands.
     
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  12. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Love that Freudian slip of a typo. The above could be a motto. :wink::slight_smile:
     
  13. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2014 California
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    Hold your horses for all the various "Black is Beautiful" entries that will be coming (over how many breweries??) I'm sure. Just might break the system.
     
  14. bluejacket74

    bluejacket74 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,305) Jul 4, 2005 Ohio
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    Same with the different "All Together" entries. I just enter it in the system based on the brewery who made the beer, since with both All Together and Black is Beautiful some of the breweries put their own little spin on the beers so it's not like the exact same recipe was used for all of them.
     
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  15. MacMalt

    MacMalt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,322) Jan 28, 2015 New Jersey
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    The timing of this thread is excellent. I've added numerous collaboration beers to the BA database using the same format that @woodychandler suggests. Last week, I noticed that those beers had been changed to just the name of the primary brewery but that the collaboration is now referenced in the commercial notes. I checked a couple of local breweries, notably Magnify and Carton, which had numerous beers formatted with the names of both collaborating brewers but the second names have been removed. I assumed this change was by design, i.e., the beer should now be added only under the primary brewery's name with the collaboration "noted" in the commercial notes. I prefer Woody's proposed format because it makes the collaboration more evident.
     
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  16. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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