COVID stupidity in MA

Discussion in 'New England' started by SunDevilBeer, Aug 12, 2020.

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  1. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer Pooh-Bah (1,945) May 9, 2003 Massachusetts
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    Per the Gov's new restrictions, food MUST be ordered with alcohol now.

    My local taproom says customers must order food before even ordering a beer. As if that pretzel is going to lessen the probability of me catching it at an outdoor, socially distanced, responsible place. But yet dangerous indoor dining can just continue on its way.

    Just absolute nonsense. I can see how a certain restaurateur of a certain chain of northern Italian high end steakhouses is influencing Baker's hospitality strategy. I heard Trillium shut down their Fenway patio as well, wonder how it effects Notch?

    Beyond frustrating the mixed messaging from the local government. Screw it, I live close enough to NH.
     
  2. rhino88888888

    rhino88888888 Zealot (694) Dec 12, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Idle Hands had to close their taproom yesterday to get their required food options in place. I think they are back open today
     
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  3. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    It’s absolutely ridiculous. I can sit inside at a fairly crowded restaurant with other people all eating, drinking and talking but I can’t have a beer outside in a beer garden unless I order a snack first? Nonsense. My wife and I wear masks and socially distance ourselves when we are out. We love sitting outside and having a beer, we do it often. I honestly think not offering food is so much safer, it’s less interaction with other people: server, cook, food runner. Why is the food rule even a thing?
     
  4. thedaveofbeer

    thedaveofbeer Savant (1,169) Mar 25, 2016 Massachusetts
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    I think it is aimed at bars that are admittedly high risk. My guess is that the people making the decisions don't frequent outdoor beer gardens, so they are ignorant on how they operate. Or it could simply be a simple calculus to keep more places closed. I agree with every thing you wrote BTW. I hope breweries can get some some lobbying efforts going to address this dumb rule.
     
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  5. mrmattosgood

    mrmattosgood Maven (1,301) Nov 6, 2010 Canada (BC)

    It is 100% the restaurant lobby that is behind this.
     
  6. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Good for sales. In general, IMO Gov Baker has been more hit than miss on managing the crisis. Imagine if we lived in GA/FL/AZ? Now that’s some C19 stupidity.
     
  7. nesarebad

    nesarebad Pooh-Bah (1,868) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Notch is open, they have food options available to comply with the order.
     
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  8. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I think I figured out one of, if not the main reason for doing this.

    To prevent bar hopping.

    If you have to order food everywhere you go, you’ll go to less places. I know plenty of people that just jumped from place to place getting drinks and maybe one meal at one of the places.

    I think they want to avoid multiple friends/households getting together and bar hopping all afternoon.

    Not saying I agree with it, or that any of the posts above are wrong, but this would be at least one logical explanation.
     
  9. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer Pooh-Bah (1,945) May 9, 2003 Massachusetts
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    I think it was that cases were tipping upward & Baker needed to “do something” to satisfy the woke heroes in the state. So he consulted with his good buddy Steve DeFelippo of Davios who suggested he clamp down on breweries & responsible restaurants to save face (& of course not shut down his dining rooms which are far more dangerous than an outdoor Biergarten).

    It’s actually fine though - plenty of good taprooms in southern NH nowadays.
     
  10. kinopio

    kinopio Savant (1,037) Apr 30, 2009 Massachusetts

    Baker looks like a moron here. Allowing indoor dining but trying to shut down beer gardens? It is either stupidity or corruption by the Baker administration.
     
  11. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer Pooh-Bah (1,945) May 9, 2003 Massachusetts
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    Both. I’ve been supporting of his COVID response for the most part, but the decision last week was just reactionary garbage & obviously made with input from the MRA (who’s been whining since day one of the lockdown)
     
  12. Marksniat

    Marksniat Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2020 Vermont

    New Hampshire breweries have no stupid rules. I am fortunate enough to be between the two states.
     
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  13. redbill

    redbill Aspirant (264) Nov 29, 2018 Massachusetts

    add to this the reason he did this supposedly was the 7-day average positive rate was over 2.0%. Which was almost entirely due to a hospital group that hadn't reported positives in a month dropped 700 positives over 2 days. After those 7 days the average dropped again. And now that more results are still coming in from that week, even those dates have dropped below 2%.
     
  14. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Seems like this is a play by restaurants to bankrupt as many bars as possible and free up liquor licenses in and around Boston. I've heard the price on liquor licenses from places that have already closed have fallen quite a bit during all this.
     
  15. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Pooh-Bah (2,193) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts
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    And let's not forget how mad restaurants were at beer gardens and how relatively easy the city made it for them to open with a food truck. Trying to level the playing field.
     
  16. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer Pooh-Bah (1,945) May 9, 2003 Massachusetts
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    MA Rt (re-transmission rate) spiked up for a few weeks over 1 but has been below 1 since the 3rd week of July. Deaths and new cases continue to be low.

    It's abundantly clear by now that the riskiest places for transmission are crowded indoor spots. Outdoors has little to no risk at all.
     
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  17. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Well within reason. You get larger crowds of people together in close proximity, I would say that's not low risk.

    See the Ozarks.
     
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  18. Jbrews

    Jbrews Pooh-Bah (2,214) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire
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    It’s not aimed at harming breweries.

    it’s trying to deter people from going to bars just to get smashed, and in greater numbers...It really is a completely different scene/experience than taprooms and breweries.

    I’ve just gotten used to it. It’s been this way in NH for a bit now.

    Wonder if Trillium will open Fenway again?
     
  19. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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  20. YourDigitalGrave

    YourDigitalGrave Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2019 Massachusetts

    Can any confirm or deny that CT has had this regulation in place from the beginning?
    How is it going? Is it a pain? Are the breweries actually enforcing it?
     
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