COVID stupidity in MA

I wasn't "freaking out", I was saying that if these people could come from out of state on a day trip, to go to a swimming hole without facilities- then a beer lover flying in from out of state and using precautions should be OK.

 

Total or percent population?

 

Good point (you’re on a roll).

Total.

 

That makes very little sense as a comparable

 

that's good for you then.

 

120,000 Americans died from the flu in 1958 in a nation half the size of what it is today. The Americans that died in WW2 were in the prime of life, sadly most dying from this are not. As you may recall the original estimates were 2.2 million Americans dying. We stayed home to "flatten the curve", not stop the spread. The curve has been flattened.

 

First, the estimate of deaths for that flu pandemic range from 70,000-116,000. 120,000 deaths were not ever confirmed.

Second, that flu reached the U.S. in 1957. Whichever total fatalities number is correct, those deaths occurred over the course of 15 months. We've had 180,000 deaths in 7 months and 1 week.

Third, as should be obvious, the 1957-1958 flu was not nearly as contagious as Covid. A vaccine was ready in September 1958 with President Eisenhower setting an example by getting his "flu shot" in August.

And lastly,

Not sure where you're getting your info from, but we flatten the curve TO stop the spread. The two go hand-in-hand, they are not opposing ideas.

 

So...we have your approval to visit the swimming holes?

 

First, yes it disproportionately affects the elderly. But now we’re just dismissing 180,000 deaths because of that?

Second, as I stated above, it’s all about hospital capacity. For example, MA has only 15,000 hospital beds. Doesn’t take much to overwhelm the healthcare system.

The issue isn’t just total deaths. As @Shyla987 said, it’s the short period of time that these deaths have occurred in. If we loosen up restrictions more than they are right now, those cases will again skyrocket. And the hospitals will quickly fill up.

You lock down in some capacity to flatten the curve and reduce the strain on the healthcare system. But you can’t loosen those restrictions until you’ve SQUASHED the curve (like Germany and much of Asia has) or you have an effective treatment. The US has accomplished neither. It’s why Europe wants nothing to do with us regarding travel right now, despite the financial hit they take from us not vacationing there in the summer.

 

The Germans have proven they are better than most at just following orders. The amazing things is how the US has responded to keeping deaths lower than most other nations (per capita). This country is a lot harder to feed and maintain.

 

I don't give a ts's what you do. I was just saying that I was OK with the BA'er flying in from Washington.

 

if you subtract the 40,000 deaths in New York State and the 16,000 deaths in NJ- caused by their respective governors forcing nursing home to take active Covid cases, then the death rate would be far less (obviously).
From the CDC- "In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States." And the US population was more than 1/2 of what it is today.

Since this is a beer website I will get off this topic. Stay safe.

 

If you subtract Florida and Alabama and Atlanta and Houston and Louisiana, the death rate in the south would be so much less. See, I can do it too.

 

55,000 deaths in NY and NJ alone.

 

I believe is used the word "sadly" when describing the effects on the elderly.

 

the death tolls, sadly, for those five states is 46,256- you would have to add California to beat NJ and NY.

 

Is this dunking on them for WW2 or Reinheibsgott?

 

Did you see what happened to Night Shift and Bone Up? They were both visited by someone who ended up testing positive for covid. https://www.instagram.com/p/CE2CP0-FgNv/

 

If I read correctly, he was actually awaiting test results and still went out. Which is a real shitty thing to do. Haven’t been to either spot, anyone have reviews on how they’re doing with table spacing, masks, food, etc? Doesn’t sound like they did anything wrong, beyond Night Shift being a bit vague with their closing announcement.

 

I guess it would make a difference to me knowing if he/she had gotten a test because they believed they may have been exposed to it, vs a peace of mind thing with a surprise result.

Ie my wife found a tick on herself so got a Lymes disease test. Since she was getting blood work done anyway she figured she may as well get a covid test too, but she didn’t have any reason to believe she’d have it (and for the record we didn’t go anywhere between getting test done and results)