Best Practice for Diacetyl Rest With Lagers

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  1. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    For those who make lagers, I'm interested in knowing what practice you use when doing a diacetyl rest.

    I often ferment my lagers at anywhere from 48-52F. Once the specific gravity is within about 5 points above final gravity, I start the diacetyl rest by raising the temperature of the fermenter about 10 F (to about 58-62F) by placing the fermenter in a room at that temperature, and letting it rise naturally to that temperature.

    I then let it ferment until it reaches the final gravity, which may take 3-5 days.

    It is at that point when I'm not sure what the best practice is. Some people cold crash it to lagering temperature and then keg. Others reduce the temperature very gradually, about 1.5 F every 12 hours or so, until it reaches about 40 F, and then cold crash it to lagering temperature, since the yeast need to hibernate gradually, otherwise (such as in cold crashing) it is said that the yeast can exude chemicals and cause off-flavors.

    I'm wondering what you consider the best practice to be once the final gravity has been reached, and your reasons for it. Thank you.
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am very sensitive to diacetyl and a BIG non-fan of diacetyl in beer.

    I have brewed well over 50 batches of lager with a variety of lager yeast strains (at least 10 different yeast strains). I have never conducted a diacetyl rest for any of those homebrewed beers and I have never had a batch that had perceptible levels of diacetyl.

    The bottom line for my homebrewery there is no need to conduct a diacetyl rest.

    I wonder how commercial breweries handle a diacetyl rest? It must require a fair bit of energy to raise the temperature of x barrels of beer from the 40s/50's to the 60's and then bring the beer down to lagering temperature.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Yet I keep hearing that some lager strains are susceptible to diacetyl and require a rest.

    The other advantage of the rest is that you are more likely to achieve the final gravity.

    Jack, do you cold crash the lager once it reaches final gravity, or do you lower the temperature gradually? I keep reading that cold crashing the beer causes the yeast to not clean up properly and also to expel nasties into the beer.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I too have read the same thing. For example Wyeast 2124 (with emphasis in bold by me):

    “STRAIN: 2124

    Bohemian Lager™

    Species: Saccharomyces pastorianus

    Profile: This Carlsberg type yeast is the most widely used lager strain in the world. This strain produces a distinct malty profile with some ester character and a crisp finish. A versatile strain, that is great to use with lagers or Pilsners for fermentations in the 45-55°F (8-12°C) range. It may also be used for Common beer production with fermentations at 65-68°F (18-20°C). A thorough diacetyl rest is recommended after fermentation is complete.”

    https://wyeastlab.com/yeast-strain/bohemian-lager

    I have used Wyeast 2124 a lot (e.g., well over 30 times) and I have never experienced diacetyl issues with this strain in my homebrewery (and I never conducted a diacetyl rest).
    FWIW I have never had any issues reaching my expected final gravity (and I never conducted a diacetyl rest).
    I cold crash.
    I have never experienced any issues in my well over 50 batches of lager beers.

    It would not be prudent for me to recommend that you not conduct a diacetyl rest since your homebrewery is different from mine. But maybe you don't need to conduct a diacetyl rest? I most certainly do not.

    Cheers!
     
  5. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I never used to do a diacetyl rest - never noticed diacetyl in my beers either (and I have done a lot of lagers) but after reading White's book about yeast, I started doing them.

    I also understand that a diacetyl rest is not necessarily required for a lager as long as you let the beer ferment for at least 3 weeks or so. That gives the yeast some time to clean up. I think diacetyl is likely an issue with those who like to speed up their process, only let it ferment for a couple of weeks or less and then immediately cold crash it.

    How long do you 'usually' ferment your lagers?
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    10-14 days.

    Cheers!

    P.S. In my opinion, it is the health of the fermentation which is key vs. length of fermentation.
     
  7. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Ten-fourteen days??? And you then immediately cold-crash it and get no diacetyl or yeast off-flavors at all?? Seems contrary to just about everything I have read, especially if you read White/Zainasheff's important book on yeast.

    But you mentioned that it's all about the health of the fermentation (odd that White and Zainasheff didn't mention this exception). Can you expound further on this? You might just have revolutionized the art of making lagers.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yes siree Bob!
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    Which is something that ideally you will practice for all of your brewing including ales.

    For healthy fermentations:

    Pitch plenty of healthy yeast – make a yeast starter for the case of lagers if using liquid yeast.

    Ensure proper wort nutrition for the yeast.

    Maintain a proper fermentation temperature for the yeast.

    Maintain positive thinking during primary fermentation.

    Etc.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Or conduct a diacetyl rest if you prefer to listen to the beer authors.

    I have never conducted a diacetyl rest but for non-commercial brewing I don't see how this would 'hurt'.

    Cheers!
     
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  10. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Diacetyl does not magically disappear within 3 days of warming it up. I don't believe cold crashing is ever helpful unless the beer has already been sitting for many weeks. IF you smell or taste diacetyl, just keep it warm for a good week or two at least before chilling it down. Yes I'm serious. I initiate the rest when gravity points (ignoring the 1.0 at front) are half of original gravity, e.g., when gravity goes from 1.058 to 1.029, it's time to warm it up. This works really well. And then once you are ready to bottle or keg, all bets are off -- the diacetyl might still return. If it does, I find it can take up to 3 to 3.5 weeks for the diacetyl to age out again. Which is fine for me, since I bottle, it's not much longer than the time it takes to carbonate anyway.

    I should add: with enough healthy yeast at pitching, you should most often not even need a diacetyl rest anyway. That being said, it never really hurts to do a diacetyl rest in second half of fermentation either, if you want to "play it safe" or whatever. It's never "wrong" to do a rest if you want.
     
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  11. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    First, I'll say that diacetyl is highly yeast specific. If you use WY2007 or 2124 you are very unlikely to have a diacetyl problem no matter how you handle your fermentation. Other yeasts, even a few ale yeasts, are different. Unless I know the yeast very well, my practice is to do a diacetyl rest at 68F for at least 2 days. The one time I did not do this, I made butterscotch beer (was able to fix it by yanking the keg out of the fridge and leaving it at room temp for a few days, but this is not a guaranteed solution). A cooler rest for a longer time would probably yield the same result if you are nervous about getting the beer too warm.
     
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  12. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Pitch enough healthy yeast, pitch it colder than max fermentation temp, oxygenate well.. you’ll never get diacetyl nor need to do a diacetyl rest. Traditional lager fermentations are actually stepped down at a certain attenuation, not stepped up..lager yeast has the ability to clean up after itself all the way down to freezing if treated well.

    The yeast I use presently is usually done by day 6 or 7. Pitch at 46, ferment at 50, let go to 52/53 after 1.020 (day 4 or 5), Leave for a day or two after terminal and start slowly cooling. Probably don’t need to do that but I do. Cool 3-4* per day, leave at 39 for 5 days or so then continue down to 30 for 2-4 weeks.
     
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  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Not unlike what I've been doing of late.
    My last Pilsner was slowly brought down to 40F, rest there for a week. Then slowly down to 30F for cold Lagering.
     
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  14. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    That's almost exactly what I've been doing. But I rest it at 40 F for a couple of days and then cold crash it to lagering temperatures. Apparently, lowering the temperature gradually after about 40 F has no further advantages.
     
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