Pliny the Elder or Abrasive--which is better?

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by DocJitsu, Dec 6, 2012.

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  1. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    This, but I'd love to try them both fresh, side by side, just to see if my opinion changes.
     
    #21 MarkIntihar, Dec 7, 2012
  2. Wowcoolman

    Wowcoolman Pooh-Bah (1,660) Sep 25, 2010 California
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    Very popular answer, but would you have said it if it was Pliny vs. Miller High Life?
     
    #22 Wowcoolman, Dec 7, 2012
  3. DocJitsu

    DocJitsu Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2009 Florida

    Tropical?? Not necessarily. Loads of pine and grapefruit, with a dryness at the finish due principally to the hop presence, but I wouldn't describe it as tropical. In fact, the whole reason I began this thread was because I note so many similarities among the two. I wanted to see what others' opinions were.
     
    #23 DocJitsu, Dec 7, 2012
  4. flayedandskinned

    flayedandskinned Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2011 California


    Dryness doesnt have much to do with hops. It is usually due to a high mineral presence in the water.
     
    #24 flayedandskinned, Dec 7, 2012
  5. HopHead84

    HopHead84 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,268) Nov 29, 2006 California
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    Attenuation
     
    #25 HopHead84, Dec 7, 2012
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  6. 1424IpA

    1424IpA Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2012 California

    Pliny lived up to the hype for me...anything im willing to drive 5 hours to get tugs at my wallet strings!
     
    #26 1424IpA, Dec 7, 2012
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  7. DocJitsu

    DocJitsu Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2009 Florida

    You guys are right, "dry" does have it's own meaning when referring to the flavor and mouthfeel of wine, spirits, and beer. Attenuation also refers to a specific component of brewing beer that has nothing to do with hops, so it doesn't describe what it is that I was trying to convey either. What I meant was instead of having a wet or juicy nature like in Hopslam, beers like Abrasive and PtE have a mouthfeel much less juicy toward the finish. The hop character tends to create a coating, of sorts, but does not cause hop burn. Which can often be noted in aggressively hopped ales.
     
    #27 DocJitsu, Dec 7, 2012
  8. OTB

    OTB Pooh-Bah (1,803) Sep 2, 2011 California
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    The exact same thing.

    Cheers.....
     
    #28 OTB, Dec 7, 2012
  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I'm voting, even though the Pacific forum isn't my "home" forum... because there still isn't a separate Pacific NW region as far as beer listings go.

    While it should have no bearing on how you "tip your hand," and while I can't imagine that anyone actually cares which beer you ultimately prefer... for me it's Pliny, no contest. I also don't think they're all that similar.

    And as for why the Midwesterners are outdoing the West Coast in numbers and conviction on this topic, it's because the Midwest is chock-full of homers who still believe there's something to prove.

    Cheers!
     
    #29 Orca, Dec 7, 2012
  10. Pelican5

    Pelican5 Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 California

    Pliny.

    /both threads
     
    #30 Pelican5, Dec 7, 2012
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  11. kotayk

    kotayk Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2011 California

    ...because Pliny is king, regardless of all the shit ppl talk (somehow its become cool to talk shit about Pliny cuz its soooo 5 years ago man)....i don't see any threads called "I found my abrasive killer" or "I found my heady Killer"...the fact that everyone is somehow trying to dethrone Pliny in some sort of imaginary round robin of DIPAs has to say something about Pliny. With that said i would take any of those beers gladly, they are all amazing examples of the style. I live in so.cal so i drink more pliny, but if all three were available to me they would all be in my regular rotation.
     
    #31 kotayk, Dec 7, 2012
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  12. Wisconsin

    Wisconsin Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2008 Wisconsin

    I'll add this as someone from the Midwest. I've had Abrasive on tap and didn't think the beer lived up to the hype, though I can see why others rave about it. It's a hop bomb no doubt. I enjoy hops but not to the extent that they are in that beer. Furious on the other hand is about as I have had in an IPA. Now someone tell me how I can get these Russian River beers in my hands.
     
    #32 Wisconsin, Dec 8, 2012
  13. SanDiegoBeerLove

    SanDiegoBeerLove Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2009 California

    I'm over both. I don't waste my time on trading for IPAs and Pliny is not as good as it was after expansion(at least for bottles). It will be the same for abrasive at surly. I'm sticking to homebrew and local breweries which I can get fresh. BTW, I go to SD once a month for the fresh stuff.
     
    #33 SanDiegoBeerLove, Dec 8, 2012
  14. Wisconsin

    Wisconsin Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2008 Wisconsin

    I'm sure Pliny is great but I don't have any real interest in that. The RR barrel aged beers, specifically Consecration or Supplication are what I'm after. Sorry to hi-jack the thread. I have no doubt Pliny is great but between Hopslam and Abrasive what little DIPA I purchase those two satisfy.
     
    #34 Wisconsin, Dec 8, 2012
  15. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    this thread has me on the edge of my seat.
     
    #35 Levitation, Dec 8, 2012
  16. theconductor

    theconductor Zealot (739) Nov 4, 2008 California

    This is not an answer, but more like a statement of the obvious.
     
    #36 theconductor, Dec 8, 2012
  17. DocJitsu

    DocJitsu Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2009 Florida

    You're kind of a douche. And a whiny one at that. Get out of your feelings and enjoy some semblance of a conversation (not a debate) about beer. It's fun. You're probably drunk. In which case, you're forgiven. But, try to reel in your douchiness next time.
     
    #37 DocJitsu, Dec 8, 2012
  18. DocJitsu

    DocJitsu Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2009 Florida

    True. As life goes, if you have frequent access to those two boys, I wouldn't miss PtE either. For that matter, I wouldn't even miss PtY. But, PtE is a magnificent beer to those who have tried it, drink it regularly, and know what it offers. I love it. I'll always regard it one of the best DIPAs I've ever had. In fact, I can't say it wasn't the first DIPA I ever had. Come to think of it, it was either something from Three Floyds (without peeking, I think Arctic Panzer Wolf is a DIPA) or Hopslam. But, I digress. Abrasive is phenomenal. I note a ton of similarity between Abrasive and PtE, which is the reason for the thread. I dig how the convo has unraveled so far. Except, of course, for the weak who report, "Why even compare, just drink what you like." I wish those folks weren't bullied in high school.
     
    #38 DocJitsu, Dec 8, 2012
  19. DocJitsu

    DocJitsu Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2009 Florida

    Don't you mean the edge of my lap?
     
    #39 DocJitsu, Dec 8, 2012
  20. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I understand your wanting to gather opinions about which beer people prefer, out of pure curiosity. What I don't get is how you apparently want to rely on other peoples' opinions to form your own. "Pliny the Elder or Abrasive--which is better?" is clearly debate material. Think about it.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go look for three paragraphs you've ever written upon which I can surmise a broad generalization of your character. Cheers.
     
    #40 Orca, Dec 8, 2012
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