Evil Twin Pricing & Thoughts

I don't buy this argument for 1 second. I'm no economist, but I don't think that is simply how it works. My purchases of bombers for $12 isn't going to affect the price of your damn 6 pack! From my craft drinking experience, I have seen little change in prices. It has only been 3 or 4 years, but I haven't noticed beer prices even going up at the rate of inflation!

I don't personally know how much it costs for Evil Twin to produce his beer, but for all we know, he could only making 50 cents a bottle on that shit. I am a brewer, and some of these specialty beers get pretty expensive with all of the ingredients, time and effort put into them, and I assume the fact that he is a gypsy brewer introduces fees and other rental/facility/bottling charges. Also remember they are small batches. Small batches = less profit margin for brewer = need to charge higher prices. I will refuse to refuse to pay high prices for Evil Twin beers. Hell, I think IBB is worth every bit of the $12 I pay for it. If you don't want to pay for it, don't pay for it, move to something else. But don't tell me I am insane when I buy these type of beers. We're all entitled to buy whatever we want.

 

It's fun!!

 

my dear friend, i am not trying to make anyone feel guilty, and please tell me where i did that if you think so.

i'm here to explain how the system works. appreciate it or not, but i know a lot of people are happy with getting to know the thruth. i cannot do anything about those few who are only here to hate. me today, someone else tomorrow. before i had success, noone cared. now, everyone have an opinion, unfortunately the haters are always the loudest.

it just surprises me that a lot of you still think i set the prices. there are 5 mark-ups, i have something to do with one, and have no control of the other 4. a beer like aun mas leaves spain for less than $3 a bottle (including the brewerys and my mark-up) and ends up at $10+, very much out of my hand.

you are welcome to think its too expensive, but that how the world works.

jeppe

 

largely distinct from other scandinavian brands, ET also contract brews in the US. this sticks in the craw for some, since this technically means some of their bottles are "domestic".

 

My name is Alan Quigley...everything I said is in a thread on your FaceBook page, another BA guy stated that you were talking about Jean before I did. Your comment about jean not being a brewer is on jean's page. If you deleted these comments, I have screen shots. You don't like our 'kind' trolling about your prices? Lower them. It's not impossible. Calling your customers trolls for being economical and not wanting to buy a sixer of pale ale twice as much as others. A growler of hophands is $15, as stated by someone who works there, I didn't evade your question. To be fair since jean doesn't bottle/can hophands, comparing growler prices seems more comparable. In Philadelphia, hipster sells for +/- $30 a growler. Finally, I don't speak for Jean, I speak for me. I don't like anyone who belittles a hard working person, not just brewer but person, when the one making the accusations takes shortcuts to make their living.

 

True. I've never bought ET stuff, so I apologize if this is incorrect, but when I see complaints upthread over a $16/6pk APA, I just shrug. That's $4.90/bomber. So it's pricey relative to most 6pks, but there are plenty of US breweries churning out beer at similar or higher prices in bombers. I understand if this is an echo thread from the deleted one, but I've never really noticed ET stuff that didn't have similarly-priced compatriots on the shelf next to it. Since OP mentioned imported 11.2oz bottles, I figured the domestic stuff wasn't really part of the equation this time around

 

Evil Twin and Mikkeller are IMO very expensive and mediocre at best. I put my money where my mouth is and support better breweries. Calgary gets a SHIT TON of Mikkeller beers, some bottle shops have 15+ varieties but they always feel like crappy unfinished experiments.

 

Fucking Ferrari's are too expensive. Fuck them. They probably suck too. I'm so mad at them for charging so much, I'm not going to go out and buy one. Which is good, because I bet they suck.

 

Here we go again. You just confirmed that you are a troll:

1. Never did I say Jean wasnt a brewer. I did say that he pretend to be someone he is not, referring to his personality (I knew him before Tired Hands opened and he was for sure a different more relaxed dude). If you really believe I would call someone out with a brewery for not being a brewer you are not sane my friend.

2. A growler at $15 is 23,4 cent a oz. A $16-18 six-pack is 22,2-25 cent an oz. A growler has one mark-up, no cost towards bottling, labels, transport etc. Yet you take any chance to say my beer are too expensive and compare them to Jeans prices (again, I never brought Jean up, you did).

3. Hipster was never kegged, so if a growler is $30 in Phili I understand why cause they must be opening cans to fill it and thats some work.

Dude, you need to stop you babbling and lies if you want people to believe you. I feel sorry for Jean, he doen not derserve fanboys you like putting him and what he does in a bad light.

Not one tim did I belittled Jean as a hard working person. So stop trolling dude, you ar making a fool out of yourself.

Jeppe

 

I haven't seen IBB sell for less than $18/bomber in my area. Everyone has their limits on what they feel comfortable spending on beer and for me, that is just too much money to give it a whirl.
Everyone is definetly entitled to buy what they want like you said, but to say that it doesn't eventually affect what we pay for beer is incorrect. The market will support what people are willing to pay. A poster above made mention of the HF BA BORIS costing ~$15 in his area. It's only being sold for that much due to the fact that there are folks out there who are willing to pay it. If People just let it sit on the shelf, the price will either have to come down or said brewery would go out of existence. If there are enough peole like you willing to pay $7.50/12 oz of beer, you don't think breweries will sense that and increase the price of their product? I already see too much of it in the marketplace already with fly by night breweries charging ~$10 for bombers of mediocre beer.

 

especially when your local Chevy dealer has a car just as good or better for a lot less eh?

 

Amen brother.

 

Most people seem to be referring to bottle prices here. I've had some Mikkeller and Evil Twin beers on tap, and they have been fairly consistently priced with other beers in that style.

 

I think this is more akin to a $790,000 Hyundai with a whacky paint job.

 

Again, you need to knw the system if you think that prices are set by the breweries (except sales directly out of the brewery of course).

Every state gets IBB for the excact same price. Some charge $12, some $18 or more. This can only be due to different mark-up from distributors and retailers. Thats reality.

If you see my US beers at same prices as my Europe brewed beers I understand why you feel cheated. Cause I can honestly tell you the brewing in Europe (including import and all) is way more costly than brewing in the states. Again, the last to mark-ups determine those prices cause neither I nor 12percent mark up US brewed beers more than Europe brewed beers.

 

My point is more, why are people bitching about the price of something they won't buy? How about just not buying it?

I find this thread incredibly obnoxious.

 

I understand that you have little to no affect of the final pricing that we see on the shelves of retailers. But, regardless of how we get to the end pricing of the product, there are people who are going to be turned off by the price point of certain beers in the marketplace.

 

Moreover, I find the entire suggestion (that has been floated multiple times in this thread) that people who can afford it shouldn't buy Evil Twin beers anyway because other brewers might start raising their prices to be pretty pathetic. Do people use this kind of logic with regards to anything outside of craft beer, like getting mad at the guy at the Verizon store who buys a Galaxy S3 for $200 when there's a perfectly good Galaxy Nexus right next to it for $50?

 

And I totally understand. And I totally understand they blame me cause who else can they blame? I'm just trying to make people understand how it is and that the prices actually have very little to do with me. If I set my mark-up to half, you would probably end up saving less that 50 cent a bomber.

 

No, your comparison is flawed. There is at least one less company marking up the price (12%). Expedition is made at Bell's own brewery. Hipster is made at someone elses' brewery and they need to get paid as well. Bell's can set the price to the distributor at whatever they want. ET can't. Also, The economies of scale also come into play. Expedition is made on a MUCH larger scale than Hipster.

Please, learn about the booze business before standing by your comparison, and I don't mean that as a snide remark. I mean seriously learn about the business.

That goes for a lot of you. Jeppe CANNOT control his prices. Period. If you think ET and Mikkeller is too expensive, don't buy it. It's so simple. If people buy 6 packs of Hipster for $30 it will not affect the price of your locally brewed craft favorite. Newsflash- There are people who don't really care what something costs if it's something they enjoy.