Ken Grossman (Sierra Nevada) – Beyond Beer

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There is a recent podcast with Ken Grossman:

    https://beerandbrewing.com/podcast-episode-200-ken-grossman-of-sierra-nevada/

    Within that podcast Ken used the term “beyond beer” which is terminology I was unfamiliar with. I suppose this is the new beer industry term for ‘alternative beverages'? Ken specifically mentioned a new product of Hard Kombucha which I was not aware of until listening to the podcast. With a quick web search I learned there is a new Sierra Nevada product line called Strainge Beast Hard Kombucha:

    https://www.brewbound.com/news/sierra-nevada-expands-strainge-beast-hard-kombucha-line

    I suppose we will see more and more “beyond beer” development in the future?

    Cheers!
     
  2. dennisthreeninefiveone

    dennisthreeninefiveone Pundit (980) Aug 11, 2020 New Jersey
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    I didn't even know what Kombucha until I just googled it. Looks like it's tea.
     
  3. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I associate it with Molson Coors.
    Molson Coors signs new “beyond beer” partnerships
    They even have a website/blog called Beer & Beyond and use the term in various articles like https://www.molsoncoorsblog.com/news/beyond-beer
    But it's older than those recent MC examples:
    The Boston Beer Company and Dogfish Head Brewery to Merge ... Craft Beer Pioneers with Unrivaled Brewing Expertise and Portfolios of Leading Beer and "Beyond Beer" Brands


     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Caveat: I am not an expert here.

    My friend Harry makes his own Kombucha and yes the base is sweetened tea with the sugars providing 'food' for the bacteria/yeast used to ferment this beverage. The Kombucha he makes has very low levels of alcohol (basically not an alcoholic beverage). My guess is that Sierra Nevada adds a lot of sugars in the production of Strainge Beast Hard Kombucha in order to achieve their Hard Kombucha.

    Maybe @SierraTerence has some knowledge here?

    Cheers!
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jim Koch and Sam Calagione with their flagship beers.
    Together, Boston Beer and Dogfish Head will create a powerful American-owned platform for craft beer and beyond. The new entity will possess more than half a century of Craft brewing expertise, a balanced portfolio of leading beer and "beyond beer" brands at high end price points..."

    Yup, the words "beyond beer" in quotes above. I guess I need to add this terminology to my vocabulary?

    Cheers!
     
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  6. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I had a hard Kombucha just the other night (wife ordered it, she doesn’t like beer), and I thought it was pretty good, like a funky farmhouse/wild ale but not sour. The one I tasted had raspberries added. I wonder if these mass produced versions will have all the probiotic stuff in there to help with health or whether all the good funk will get filtered and pasteurized out?
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Another question for @SierraTerence?

    Cheers!
     
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  8. CarolinaCardinals

    CarolinaCardinals Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,231) Jun 11, 2003 North Carolina
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    Da Boss and I had lunch at the Mills River taproom back in May. We sat at the bar and being curious asked the bartender for a sample of the Ginger and the Watermelon. It was different for my palate as i drink coffee religiously every morning. The flavors used were interesting, especially the ginger based one as this is one of our favorite spices to cook with. There was a touch of sourness going on top of each variety and although not bad i found it not to be my “cup of tea”. But i get why the larger brewers are looking for different ways to increase revenue streams in this ever evolving beverage world and do not fault them for it.
    Cheers!
    Tom
     
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  9. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    As long as Ken Grossman is involved, Sierra Nevada will not broach 16% of "beyond beer" share, the complete opposite of Boston Beer Company's 16% (and falling despite purchases of theoretical beer brewing companies like Dogfish) beer share vs. 84% "beyond beer" share of contract "craft" "beer" owners of "Boston" "Beer" Company.

    https://cobbxcounsel.com/2021/07/how-to-become-a-brewer-without-owning-a-brewery/

    Jim Koch, Harvard MBA great businessman. Ken Grossman Chico California trained great brewer of beer.

    Jim Koch is all jacked up on Mountain Dew, I heard Jim threw a bunch of Dogfish's GABF's medals off a bridge today.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...launch-hard-mountain-dew.660665/#post-7320050
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Did you listen to the podcast I linked in the OP?

    Ken made mention that he is 'technically' already semi-retired. How long do you think until the "semi" part goes away?

    In the meantime the CEO of Sierra Nevada is Jeff White. Some background on Jeff White in case you are unfamiliar:

    "Jeff spent 17 years at Boston Beer eventually becoming COO. After leaving Boston Beer he joined Miller-Coors, as Sr. Director of Strategy where he helped form and lead the creation of 10th and Blake, their attempt to create a Craft Beer Division. Once formed he was responsible for Strategy, Operations, “Culture” and M&A."

    Cheers!
     
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  11. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Feels like the SN we have come to love is changing.

    Enjoy
     
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  12. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    It's sweetened tea fermented with a blend of bacteria and yeast. Depending on the specific culture (kombucha people call it a SCOBY and it usually moves from batch to batch), the level of sweetener, abs the fermentation conditions you will produce varying levels of alcohol.
     
  13. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    I read the articles. I am familiar with Jeff White. Ken is the chairman, Sierra Nevada is not publicly owned, so Ken doesn't have to be at the brewery to ultimately call the shots as long as he controls the company. He would of sold it years ago if he wanted to, doubt he'll want to see what he spent his entire life building destroyed during his final days for a windfall he doesn't need.

    I would be interested in any news regarding their transition plan, and whether he intends to keep this a privately owned company or whether they plan to go public or sell to a VC firm or another brewery. If they do plan on following the Boston Beer Company model, to go public (or a VC Fund) and be slave to short term growth and profits, than it portends for a dismal future for SN customers. I already have not liked a few smaller changes over the past year or two, and perhaps this is only the beginning.
     
  14. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, I guess, for me, while I understand what this newish marketing term means, I'll probably continue to use some form of the terminology I've been using:
    "FMB's, seltzers and all that other non-beer crap."
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Me too. If you learn anything here please let me know.

    Cheers!
     
  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I thought it was pretty well understood that his children, two of whom already work at SN, will run the company. According to BLOOMBERG in 2015:
    "(Grossman) plans to let his son (Brian - GM at Mill River) and daughter Sierra, (then) 37, run the company when he’s done."
     
  17. BlameHouston

    BlameHouston Savant (1,190) Aug 21, 2020 California

    I recently had some fresh, around 3wks ginger, lemon, hibiscus strange beast. Not my cup of tea. Maybe a different flavor would work, I've had juneshine and enjoyed it. Distro not the greatest, i waited a long time for a fresh batch to come around. In addition, i like to have tea at asian restaurants.
    As for the benchmark that is SN, I have bought considerably less in the last few years, with choices elsewhere taking over :slight_smile:
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I suppose that we will collectively see when Ken changes his semi-retirement to full-retirement?

    Cheers!
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I reckon that is the proper terminology as regards Hard Kombucha.

    Cheers to you!
     
  20. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    I was at the Mills River taproom in June. First time since they reopened. Had two “beasts” on tap… the lemon ginger one and a watermelon and sea salt version at around 5%, if I remember correctly.

    I was prepared not to like them, but they kind of blew me away…lots of funk, almost farmhouse, and a subtle tartness. Not sharp like your typical lacto-derived sour. Thinner on the palette, but not necessarily in a bad way.

    They are being produced in Chico only. Proprietary blend of bugs they developed in-house. Mostly on tap at the two breweries, but I’ve seen a few cans (singles) around here at $5/pint.
     
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