What’s the Difference? Share your Side-by-Side (2021)

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It would be interesting to see whether a side-by-side of two bottles, one being four months old and the other being 13 months old, would have similar results.

    I would volunteer to conduct this experiment but I could only find 13 month old bottles at my local beer retailers. It has been over 2/3 years since I have seen Jever bottles that are less than 6 months old. And on a related note I have never, ever seen canned Jever at any of my local beer retailers.

    Prost!
     
  2. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I must live in Jever paradise these days, I just came across some 5.30.21 bottles, almost always find bottles between 3-5 months.

    I actually had the same experience with some older cans, like I stated above bottles usually are import fresh but cans not so much. I drank almost year old Jever and without the side by side and the 8$ price tag I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Thanks for sharing the post, I wonder what the farthest apart dates could be without noticing a difference.
     
  3. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Nice post @Reef - I actually really like posts in this thread of "verticals" where the beer is a little less brash or challenging in the first place. Cheers!
     
  4. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    Appearance: Regular Eliot is clearer, had a bigger head and better retention. FH is a bit hazy.

    Aroma: Regular is more muted, FH definitely has brighter resin and citrus aromas, is more floral.

    Taste: On its own, regular is a lovely beer, but beside the FH, it's almost a harsh bitterness. FH gives me a bunch of floral/honey that is just fantastic.

    MF: Fairly similar -- light and clean, though the FH might be a bit dryer and lighter.

    Overall: Well...I would take the Fresh Hop 10 times out of 10 times, it's just a level up over the regular. But, the regular is no slouch.
     
  5. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Wandered a little way out of town, and came across a place where I wanted to compare two beers, of different styles. I merely wanted to see my take on the difference between Sky Fox’s Macht Schnell Kölsch and the Reading Premium, which @JackHorzempa profiled somewhere recently (NBW, I believe)
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    The Kölsch is on the left, and I had to remember what the bar last told me because looking at them, I can’t tell which is which. The GF tasted the Kölsch and said, ”Yep, that’s a Kölsch.” She also liked it better of her two sips.

    So, can I tell the difference had my mind slipped?

    I’d say yes. The Reading definitely has something more classically “American beer-like” to me. The Macht Schnell is a little lighter to me and definitely more balanced to lightly bitter versus the sweeter Reading. I’d might say the Kölsch is a little more floral compared to an apple-like orchard fruit side from the Reading.

    I, too, am liking the Kölsch. The mix of fruit and a light metallic twang hangs out there next to the cleaner Kölsch.

    Oh, the GF’s Vulpulin IPA (which I think we’ve had before) is pretty good, too.
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It has been a very long time since I had Sly Fox Macht Schnell Kölsch; maybe 10 years ago? Sly Fox infrequently makes this beer.

    I do remember the very first time I had this beer and it was on a Friday night at the brewpub in Phoenixville and it just so happened the Sly Fox head brewer (Brian O'Reilly) happened to be there and I had a comprehensive discussion about this first time brew for Sly Fox. He informed me that he used the old Ballantine yeast strain to brew this batch since he wanted this yeast for a subsequent brew and they decided to brew a Kolsch first to have some leftover yeast slurry (a large amount) for the next batch (I can't recall which style was the second batch). I thought this first batch turned out very well. I would be surprised if they still use the old Ballantine yeast strain today for their Kolsch.

    If you have further interest in learning the 'in's and out's' of the Kolsch beer style:

    https://www.morebeer.com/articles/Brewing_Kolsch

    In a few hours I will be meeting some friends at Workhorse Brewing for Happy Hour and my first beer there will be a Kolsch:

    "Subtle fruit aromas give way to a clean, gently sweet malt flavor. Expect a clean, effervescent finish with a lasting touch of grain."

    And as regards Reading Premium I agree with your assessment: "...has something more classically “American beer-like” to me."

    I find Reading Premium to be a very enjoyable summer weather beer. I still have four cans of Reading Premium in the fridge which I will be drinking this weekend as I grill some hot dogs and hamburgers.

    Cheers to Sly Fox!
     
  7. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Hmm.. I just threw a quick review on a new entry; wonder if there’s a retired version? Although BA jumped me right to the new version.

    Not to derail this thread, but Workhorse isn’t far from where we’ll be staying. Might I assume if you’re stopping in, it would be worth us checking it the place and their beers.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    There are plenty of beer choices at Workhorse but just to let you know their summer 'lineup' is presently biased towards fruity type beers (e.g., Cucumber Mojito, Pina Colada, Guava Gose,...). If you like these sorts of things then you will be very happy there! Having stated that there are some beer flavored beers on tap now (e.g., Kolsch, Oktoberfest, etc.) which is what I will be drinking.

    A friend organized this get together so I will be happily attending and drinking the aforementioned beer flavored beers. FWIW I much prefer the non-summer months at Workhorse because of my biases.

    There are many good choices for craft beer drinking in the Philly area. If you are 'based' out of the western 'burbs I recommend this recent thread to you:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/whats-hot-in-se-pa.661032/

    Cheers!
     
  9. Mugman8

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    Mugman8 Pundit (804) Sep 30, 2018 New York

    Can-O-Bliss Resinous IPA vs. Voodoo Ranger Juicy Hazy IPA. Bliss is juicy, tart and piney while Voodoo is creamlier, smoother with a slightly bitter finish. Both good ones at a good price for a hazy IPA....
     
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  11. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Battle of the Czechs

    Found myself with any empty house for a few hours so I'm gonna do a quick side by side as I prep dinner and save the rest of the beer for tonight. I always wanted to compare these two and the opportunity arose to do so. I think I enjoy budvar/czechvar more but I wanted to see if that is actually the case.

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    These beers both have almost identical appearance, at least to my eyes. Even retention and head, both didn't last long. The urquell was bigger at first just case pouring from the can was a little trickier into the small glass. Onto aroma...

    Again, really similar aromas going on. I'm not sure but I think the are both Saaz only so this makes sense to me. The pilsner urquell though is a bit more intense than the budvar. If I didn't know what these two beers were I would say the right one is much hoppier. Bottling date is 3 months apart so this could be the reason why. Unfortunately it was the best/closest I could do.

    Taste... budvar has soft floral and spicy notes along with a nice soft malt backbone. Pilsner urquell is very similar but everything is a little more pronounced, one thing is for certain it comes out way hoppier in this side by side. I'm pretty sure I'm also picking up a tad of diacetyl in the pilsner urquell that I never noticed much before, it is definitely something being amplified by this comparison cause it is really sticking out. It is not present or not as noticeable in the budvar.

    Mouthfeel...both are light body, the budvar is slightly smoother and softer to me. Pilsner urquell has a more complex mouthfeel. Both finish similarly but the bitterness appears much higher in pilsner urquell.

    Overall this was a pretty interesting one for me, I noticed things I had never noticed before in pilsner urquell. In the end I think I do prefer the budvar, its softer and a little more balanced for me personally. I would like to revisit this side by side sometime with closer dates and maybe bottle vs bottle or can vs can.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jon, a couple of points:

    I had many draft 1/2 liter glasses of Budweiser Budvar (Czechvar in the US) during my two week vacation to the Czech Republic in 2019. I have a very sensitive palate to diacetyl and I never perceived diacetyl in any of those beers. I never had a Budweiser Budvar in a side by side with PU but I would have described those beers as having a less rich malt flavor and lower hops (bittering and flavor) in comparison.

    I recently picked up a four-pack of PU cans and I drank one a couple of days ago (they were canned July 21, 2021 - best by March 21, 2022). I too picked up some diacetyl in that beer but at what I would categorize as a modest level. Typically diacetyl comes off as very buttery for my palate and in that can there was definitely perceptible diacetyl but I personally would not state that it was "very buttery".

    My drinking experiences with PU over the years is that for the beers I have purchased in the US the diacetyl level has been mostly unperceptable but on occassion (like this last purchase) a lower level but noticeable. While in the Czech Republic every glass of Pilsner Urquell that I had at a Tankovna (Tank) Pub had a very noticeable (i.e., buttery) level of diacetyl; I was not a fan of these beers.

    Cheers!
     
  13. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Whatever I was noticing @JackHorzempa i didn’t notice in any of the four pack PU I drank until I did this side by side.

    So with that fact I’d have to say that the level is/was unnoticed until it I drank it side by side. Which means it’s gotta be low, or not there at all and my tastebuds are playing tricks on me.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is one of the 'benefits' of conducting a side-by-side: sometimes it 'enhances' your abilities to perceive things you would not otherwise.

    In the thread I discussed a side-by-side tasting of bottled vs. canned Weihenstephaner Hefeweizen. In the bottled version I picked up a very subtle smell/flavor that I described as reminding me of a stagnant pond. I am convinced I would not have noted that other than it was a difference that was 'magnified' by the control beer of the canned version.

    In subsequent drinking experiences of the bottled beer I never perceived that very subtle off-flavor since there was no second beer to function as the 'control beer'.

    Cheers!

    P.S. But since I am very sensitive to diacetyl I was able to pick it up in the one can of PU I have consumed. It is at a low level so not exactly 'troublesome' but I would have preferred that I didn't pick it up at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  15. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Good evening everyone! This evening I am finally getting to do a side-by-side that I have been meaning to do all summer. Bell's has been releasing variants of their Flamingo Fruit Flight gose this summer - along with the original, there has been a Lemon-Lime variant, Tequila barrel aged variant and the recently released raspberry variant. Tonight I cracked all four and did a compare and contrast side-by-side of the beers. I am going to go ahead and apologize up front for the length of this post.

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    First up is the original Bell's - Flamingo Fruit Flight. This is a gose brewed with passionfruit and lime and checks in at 5.0 % abv. I believe this was originally released in 2018 as a one-off, but it was brought back leading into the various variants which were released this summer.

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    Pours a cloudy, hazy, completely opaque orange color. Thick 3-4 finger frothy white head forms on the beer, then steadily recedes until just a splotch of foam remains on the beer. This has some yeasty floaters in the bottom of the bottle and I did end up with some of the chunks in my glass. Aroma has notes of passionfruit, tart lime, citrus notes, wheat, some lactic acid notes and a mild salinity. Of the four, this is the one that is most reminiscent of a traditional gose - the fruit is there, but its subtle and allows the base gose to really shine.

    Taste follows the nose with notes of lightly tart passion fruit, lime, lemon, lactic acid giving way to a robust malt backbone that is predominately wheat. Light to moderate salinity is present especially in the back end. Pretty tart with a moderate acidity. I will say, this is the oldest of the bottles and the fruit is the most subdued in this. It was a bit more prominent when fresh, but still was pretty balanced even then. Feel is moderately bodied, with a slight heftiness to it. Lightly carbonated. Pretty dry on the finish.

    Overall this is a nice fruited gose. The fruit is balanced and added with a deft hand complimenting rather than overtaking the base gose.

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    Next up is the Bell's Flamingo Fruit Flight - Lemon-Lime. This one is 4.8% abv.

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    Pours a cloudy, but still mostly clear golden-yellow color. Thin, weak white sudsy head appears on the beer, but really struggles to get any substance or retention. Aroma has notes of bright citrus, lemon-lime, coriander with a moderate tartness and a subtle malty base peeping through. The lemon-lime notes imply a certain sweetness and are almost reminiscent of like a soda or something.

    Taste has notes of lemon, lime, lactic acidity, some black pepper and coriander notes giving way to a strong wheat malt backbone with an overarching moderate salinity. The flavor is far more balanced than the nose implied with the lemon-lime notes nicely balanced along with the more traditional gose base taking a much more prominent position in the profile. Feel is light, crisp and quite refreshing. Moderate carbonation. Pretty dry on the finish. Of the four I think this is the driest.

    Overall a nice entry in the Flamingo Fruit Flight lineup.

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    Next up is the Flamingo Fruit Flight - Raspberry. This one checks in at 5% abv.

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    Pours a mostly clear reddish/pink color. Thick, frothy pinkish tinged white head forms on the beer and then dissipates until just some splotchy foam remains on the beer. Aroma is, shockingly dominated by bright raspberry fruit. The raspberry is moderately tart and lightly sweet on the nose. Underlying notes of wheat and a hint of citrus peep through.

    Taste follows the nose with the raspberry being showcased, but unlike the nose its far more balanced. The raspberry has fruity notes with a light tartness and light sweetness moving into a wheat malt backbone, moderate tartness, and just the subtlest hint of salinity. There is a slight peppery hop note on the back note. Feel is light, tart, and easy drinking. Its actually pretty refreshing as beers go. Light, drier, fleeting finish.

    Overall this is a nice addition to the Fruit Flight lineup - my wife said this was her favorite of the four beers. I personally enjoy the citrus flavors with the gose more, but its a great beer.

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    Last up is the Flamingo Fruit Flight - Tequila Barrel-aged. This one checks in at 6% - the highest abv of any of the beers.

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    This one pours a completely opaque, cloudy, orange color. Thin, weak white bubbly head forms on the beer but its retention is fleeting. Aroma has notes of passionfruit, lime, lemon-lime citrus, wet wood, oak and tequila. Moderately tart, lightly sweet, with a fleeting impression of booziness from the tequila.

    The taste follows the nose with the passionfruit and lime showing off up front. The passionfruit is in and of itself slightly tart. Then there is an underlying malty note of wheat with that moderate tartness continuing through but taking on more of the traditional lactic acidity and tartness. There is a moderate salinity to it and then the tequila barrel character comes through towards the back end providing this woody, earthy character along with the tequila, which is reminiscent of booziness because it tastes like tequila, but is not actually boozy. really delicious with an excellent use of the barrel to provide extra complexity and depth without dominating the underlying gose. Feel has a bit more body (this is the highest abv of the four) but is still pretty crisp and drinkable. Moderate carbonation. Semi-dry finish. The tartness does linger a bit on the finish.

    Overall this is easily my favorite of the bunch - the tequila barrel adds a lovely extra layer of complexity, while at 6%not sacrificing any type of drinkability or repeatability.

    I believe the reason this one and the original flamingo fruit flight are cloudy is the addition of the passionfruit. The lemon-lime and raspberry versions were both mostly clear outside of a bit of cloudiness as you'd expect from a traditional gose.

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    Overall these are a really nice series of goses from Bell's. They're perfect hot weather beers that I suspect would have broad appeal. My wife, who is not a beer fan at all really liked all of these.

    For me the tequila barrel aged beer was my favorite, but if grabbing any of these for a picnic or whatever I would go for one of the other three just for the drinkability and refreshing quality of them. The raspberry and lemon-lime are nice, but the original one with the passionfruit just works so well. All four are well worth picking up if you like the style.
     
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  16. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    I KNEW IT WAS SCIENCE
     
  17. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    These two big dogs are more similar than different in that they both carry a mineral kind of flavor that seeps into every corner of the flavor profile and they contain a good amount of chocolate. Inescapable and excellent!
    <>Compared to GFES the Sam is sweeter, wetter, thinner taste and lighter overall in body. It's taste is savory with a short hop note at the start then dark choco, figs, sea salt, overripe dark berries, plum, raisins and toasted malts. <>Compared to SSIS, the Guinness is more creamy, soft and bitter. It's taste is jam-packed with a langer load of bakers choco, figs and raisins. They're both just dynamite stouts. Reviews/ratings to be posted soon. Cheers!
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  18. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    Henry's is being discontinued, so FIL is looking for a new fridge beer. Rolling Rock is the candidate. MIL's conclusion is it's not good enough.

    They're very different. RR is lighter tasting and surprisingly more hop forward. Has a moderate unpleasant vegetal flavor. Henry is grainier and way richer.

    I'd pick Henry's every time. Too bad that's the last one between us.
     
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  19. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Ha! I can’t imagine RR being a replacement (for anything) even though I haven’t had either in many, many years. As I recall, RR infamously had an “off” taste (want to say skunk) that fans actually enjoy - not sure if that holds today. Hope you find a replacement eventually!
     
  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    It's DMS, and definitely shows itself in a side by side. That was the unpleasant vegetal flavor picked up by @snaotheus .
     
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