Bad thermometer how high can ferm temp swing?

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  1. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    I brewed my first stout (sweet stout) a couple days ago and just started brewing last summer. I have an OG of 1.076 and am using US-05 dry yeast that i rehydrated. I have 5 gal glass carboy resting in a Tupperware container with cool/cold water. My digital thermometer is old and used for cooking (food network brand) and I don’t think it’s accurate at lower temps. I got a reading of 81 and freaked out and bought ice as my ice packs (3) were melted and needed to go back in freezer (just got several more ice packs from neighbor). The tub with the carboy is resting in my basement bathroom shower stall. I would guess ambient air temp is high 60’s during day and mid 60’s at night. I’m adding a few ice packs during day. Im smelling a slight fruity ester aroma and I’m wondering if that’s from fermenting too warm. Going to look for a better thermometer tomorrow but was curious what the hottest a sweet stout can get when ambient air in room is upper 60’s?

    thanks,

    Mike
     
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  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It would depend on a lot of factors, but I've seen a big beer hit 12 degrees F above ambient temperature, but that's not typical. The fact that you had the fermenter sitting in cold water would have mitigated against that kind of difference.
     
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  3. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    What was the temperature of the wort when you placed it in the water bath?
     
  4. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    My thermometer read 70 and it was late so I pitched yeast, added a couple ice packs and went to bed. I’ve had a glass of water sit overnight on counter and my house thermostat is set to 70 and the thermometer in that glass of water says 79. Does my thermometer seem to be working?
     
  5. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    It sounds like your thermometer is off on the high side so your beer is probably ok, at least as far as fermentation temperature.
     
  6. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    Oh man! New thermometer is reading 55 degrees. I immediately took carboy out of water bath and am wondering if I should repitch? I suppose I should let it warm up and see if air lock activity increases (fairly slow bubbling currently). Rookie mistake I don’t have spare yeast. This yeast was pitched Wednesday night and it’s Saturday morning. Krausen foam appeared before I dumped a bunch of ice in water bath yesterday so I’m hoping they went a little dormant and didn’t die off around 55 degrees for roughly 24 hours. Would this necessitate a gravity reading to check progress?
     
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  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    How do you know if the new thermometer is any more accurate than the first one? It's easy to calibrate...fill a glass with ice chips and pour in cold water. Give it a few minutes to stabilize and put thermo in middle of the ice slurry, you should read 32 - 33°. To calibrate high side use boiling water.

    Lots of discussion on Forum about maintaining ferm temps, but rarely do I see posts about the easy way to eliminate the guesswork: install a thermowell. For less than 20 bucks you can have a thermowell with an aquarium temp probe that will tell you exactly the temp in the middle of your primary.
     
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  8. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    Definitely wondered about the new ones accuracy so thanks for the tip
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  10. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    Funny thing is I have that temp tape on the carboy but it wasn’t helpful when I had it submerged. Now it’s reading 60 and airlock activity is increasing
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, you aren't supposed to get the Fermometer wet. It may not work for you now going forward.

    "they can get a little wet. they can't be submerged or soaked though or the adhesive degrades and the liquid crystal will seep out."

    https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/how-do-ya-read-a-fermometer-strip.50274/

    Cheers!
     
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  12. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    Good to know. Thanks. One last question: my airlock smells like fruity esters. I’m still only on day 4 of fermentation but curious if this smell is normal or could be a bad sign that I stressed the yeast?
     
  13. RJLarse

    RJLarse Pooh-Bah (2,375) Dec 30, 2005 Washington
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    On a semi-related note:. It's good to have 2 thermometers on hand. I was heating strike water this afternoon and the thermometer read 80. A few minutes later it was still 80 so I turned up the heat. A few minutes later, still 80 and by now I knew the water was hotter than that. So I grabbed my spare thermometer and sure enough we were at 120 and climbing. No idea how or why I had that spare thermometer on hand. It might have been a gift? But the bad one went in the trash and I'm ordering another spare. Best to have 2.
     
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  14. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Not speaking from personal experience, but I remember reading that US-05 can throw some peach type aromas when fermented at or below the low end of its temperature range.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As a general rule it is not unusual for an ale yeast to produce "fruity esters". For the beers I brew using US-05 I typically find this yeast to be very neutral (e.g., not fruity esters) but for a beer with an OG of 1.076 this may indeed be 'normal'?

    My advice is RDWHAAD (Relax, Don't Worry, Have a HomeBrew).

    Please report back what you think of the resulting beer.

    Cheers! :beers:
     
  16. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Yep, I once fermented WY1056 (the "Chico yeast", pretty close to US05) at 50F and got lots of sweet fruit, though I would not necessarily describe it as peach. This character diminished greatly after about 2 weeks of bottle conditioning. I imagine yanking a keg out of the fridge and giving it a week or so at cellar temps would work too.
     
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  17. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    Two nights ago I relocated carboy from basement to the coldest area on my main floor which is at 67 degrees. Yesterday, the fruity ester smell coming from air lock has lessened substantially. Wish I could fast forward in time bc I’m ready to try my first homebrewed stout
     
  18. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    I wanted to just quickly take a small sample to taste but failed. I used a clean tube and tied to plug one end with my thumb and carefully lift the other end out and dump into wide glass on the floor. Despite being successful on the trial run with water, the beer leaked out instantly and i just made a mess. I have the proper equipment to grab a sample but I noticed there is minute amount of dried gunk in a hard to clean area so I decided not to use it.
    Anyways, I did try a drop of the beer and plan on grabbing enough for a gravity reading this weekend. It definitely tastes like an easy drinking stout and although a bit simple in flavor it seems close to done.
     
  19. mijclarke

    mijclarke Initiate (0) May 4, 2014 Illinois

    Just took a gravity reading and a taste.
    Recipe: OG: 1.060 FG: 1.023 ADF 61% Abv 4.9
    My beer: OG: 1.076 FG: 1.028 ADF 62% Abv 6.3

    Today marks the 10th day of fermentation. Taste is good but a little sweet. I can see this being pretty enjoyable carbed and colder. I know I should probably take another reading tomorrow but I might bottle this tonight. No airlock activity for a couple days and I think I under pitched my yeast. I used one 11.5 gram pack of safale US-05 for 4.5 gallons of 1.076 OG wort with minimal aeration.
     
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  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You should take another reading 2-3 days after the reading you suspect to be at FG. It doesn't take a whole lot of extra fermentable sugars to cause overcarbonation, gushing, and worst case, bottle bombs.
     
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