Dry, Bitter Imperial Stouts

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  1. bitterbeer

    bitterbeer Devotee (365) Jan 9, 2021 New York

    “dark cocoa and a bit of black licorice” ?

    Yes, Sir!

    Many thanks.

    So — the higher the ABV, the less dry on the palate???

    Hopefully someone’s working out the kinks on that pickle.

    !
     
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  2. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Pooh-Bah (2,368) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Good suggestion with the BBVD.
     
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  3. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Get you some Ten Fidy and Storm King. So bitter and intense.
     
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  4. bitterbeer

    bitterbeer Devotee (365) Jan 9, 2021 New York

    Storm King an old favorite, but hard to find this year. Thanks for the recommendation — going for the Ten Fidy tomorrow as I spotted it was in!
     
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  5. Stignacious

    Stignacious Pooh-Bah (1,878) Aug 24, 2011 New York
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    If the OP lives in the Capital Region/Central/Western NY, Zero Gravity has nice distribution. My local Wegmans was promoting it a lot a few weeks back.
     
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  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Its more about the chemistry of brewing. If a yeast has the same % attenuation in fermenting both a higher gravity wort and lower gravity wort, the former is always going to have a higher final gravity (the amount of sugar the yeast was unable to covert to alcohol). The higher the finishing gravity, the sweeter the beer will likely taste (aside from other effects like use of bitter roasted malt or hop bitterness).

    For comparison, BJCP style guidelines (used for judging homebrew competitions) lists the typical final gravity range for Irish Stout as 1.07 to 1.011, but for Russian Imperial Stout as 1.018 to 1.030.
     
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  7. pinballjj

    pinballjj Initiate (96) Nov 25, 2019 New York


    in an imperial stout i would think along the lines of bitterness from the roasted grains as much if not more than hop bitterness and ibu .

    old rasputin is really good for that nice balance

    great lakes blackout stout is one to try but can't remember the last time i saw it on shelves
     
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  8. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I've used their beer finder with good success:

    https://victorybeer.com/finder/index-clicked.php?item=all

    "enter" button doesn't work, you have to click "find" once zip is in.
     
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  9. MaltyFlannel

    MaltyFlannel Aspirant (239) Oct 30, 2020 Iowa

    I turn to Yeti whenever I'm in the mood you're describing
     
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  10. bwarner2015

    bwarner2015 Crusader (407) Mar 25, 2016 Connecticut

    Old Rasputin. Great value too!
     
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  11. gshak

    gshak Savant (1,220) Feb 20, 2011 Texas

    Looks like an imperialized version of the Guinness Draught might be what you're after. Just something super-attenuated, heavily hopped, high ABV stout that makes you lose your faith in humanity.

    No, I'm not talking about the Extra or Foreign Extra variants - those actually taste good.
     
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  12. bitterbeer

    bitterbeer Devotee (365) Jan 9, 2021 New York

    Gold!
     
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  13. bitterbeer

    bitterbeer Devotee (365) Jan 9, 2021 New York

    One of the greatest —
     
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  14. bitterbeer

    bitterbeer Devotee (365) Jan 9, 2021 New York

     
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    bitterbeer Devotee (365) Jan 9, 2021 New York

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  16. bitterbeer

    bitterbeer Devotee (365) Jan 9, 2021 New York

    Folks,
    Had to mention —
    Picked up Une Annee’s “Feats of 2021”

    Label says “Belgian Inspired” with chocolate. ABV at hefty 13.5 and not ultimately bitter, but recommended as a step towards.
     
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  17. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Since your in New York, I would look for Grimm Double Negative, great imperial stout. Also, Jacks Abby Framinghammer shouldn't be hard to find this time of year; It's a baltic porter but I don't know if you could tell in a blind taste test and very reasonably priced.
     
  18. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Interesting that Yeti is uncommon in some places. I figured that beer was pretty ubiquitous, but then again, Great Divide isn't quite what they were a few years back.
    Ten Fidy is also a relatively dry/hoppy big stout worth seeking out. Old Rasputin, too.
    While not Imperial/strong, Deschutes Obsidian is also along those lines.
     
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  19. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    We get deschutes here finally but they don't send all their stuff. Obsidian is one of those they choose not to send, I'm hopeful that will change at some point. It has been many years since I have tried that beer. Then again I'm happy with options I have, would just be fun to revisit.
     
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  20. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Out here it doesn't seem to be a big seller, but it's usually around. I'm a little surprised, considering we don't get the stouts from other breweries of that size. I don't think those beers sell well in general. The stouts that people seek out here are typically milk (or oat) stouts that are sweet and often spiced, flavored, or tossed into spirits barrels of some sort. Strength is often on the lower end of "Imperial" but still well over what I'd consider Export.
     
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