The world needs more Dunkel

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  1. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    It’s kind of weird there aren’t more Dunkels. Because I see quite a few Czech Dark Lagers these days, so it’s not as if a dark lager can’t sell.
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  3. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Those are everywhere here, too. In general I think 2021-22 has been all about craft brewers trying to brew Czech styles. Feels like schwarzbier has always been relatively common, too. Something about dunkel must be a turn off, and I don't get it.
     
  4. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Since most Ami versions I try are closer to Schwarz, even Czech, in character -- it has to be the name. Not sexy enough for today's drinkers?

    Maybe the German translation of München would attract more attention? :wink:
     
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  5. zeff80

    zeff80 Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,425) Feb 6, 2006 Missouri
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    I'm thankful we have KC Bier Co Dunkel available in Columbia, MO. So great. So sessionable.
     
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  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    They're probably more difficult to get 'right' and tend to wind up too sweet and caramelly, so don't really sell. At least an Oktoberfest, with a similar malty character, has a built-in selling point. :wink:
     
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  7. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    See, my experience is that brewers over-compensate with roasted malt -- I've heard say for color, but they use too much. Turns into Schwarzbier.
    Caramelly Oktoberfest? For shame, doc. :wink:
     
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  8. hopley

    hopley Pooh-Bah (2,912) Feb 24, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Looking forward to trolling through this thread and jotting down all the dunkels listed as I’m a big fan! But wanted to mention the following retired beer in the hopes that it might become unretired...

    Weyerbacher Slam Dunkel

    For some reason this did not sell well, and I gobbled up four pack after four pack, again and again, on sale! Could get enough of it. That was years ago. Would love to try it again! If anyone from Weyerbacher is reading this, please bring it back!!
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  10. hopley

    hopley Pooh-Bah (2,912) Feb 24, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Oh my, I won’t! Thanks for the info and what a bummer. Riserva is partly responsible turning me on to sours / wilds way back when at the BA Belgian Fest sour night at Boston’s Cyclorama...and I’m going to have to try to track down an old favorite triple, Merry Monks, just in case, but I digress...

    Cheers!
     
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  11. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Yeah, that's what I was getting at- the over use of roast malt can function as a safety net; but then you haven't made a Munich Dunkel. This is probably why "black lagers" are more common.

    I've had a few attempts at a genuine Dunkel and the sweetness was a big problem.
     
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  12. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Fwiw, I remember that one as a dunkelweizen, not a lager.
     
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  13. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    @TongoRad maybe if a brewery called their beer a Slam Dunkel like Weyerbacher did and released it during the NBA Finals it would have a built-in selling point?
     
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  14. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Wait, sometime in March? Now you're rattling my head... :wink:

    Just kidding -- 'cause I know what Märzen really means. :grin:
     
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  15. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Red Oak Bavarian Bock serves my dark beer fancy just fine.
     
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  16. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    But that's Bock (assuming), not a Munich Dunkel.

    There's just something more elegant and sublime about a Munich Dunkel compared to a Traditional Bock.
     
  17. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    It's just their really good dark beer that works well for me. I always liked Einbecker Dunkel quite a bit but I've not seen it in some time. So......
     
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  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    That's another one that walks a line -- they have so many Bocks, but I don't remember a true Dunkel.

    Then again, they're not in Bavaria, so I snub them. :wink:
     
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  19. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    OK. It's definitely a good beer and Eastern Guilford County is a virtual light year from Bamberg, but it works. I take what I can get and I'm no stickler for definitions and appellations. I'm an internationalist.
     
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  20. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I grabbed some Freising thanks to this thread, and it's damn near perfect for me. Lots of toasted pumpernickel and dried fruit (raisin, figs), starts malty and finishes dry, full flavored but not overbearing. Needless to say, but I'm enjoying the hell out of these at the moment :sunglasses::beers:
     
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