Dark Lord Day (2023)

Lol. Yeah, no one would have noticed if they had put Crushing M, Coco M and Dis M into DL variant bottle. They would be saying the coffee and coconut DL are amazing and the Banana/ Cherry DL must have been aged in moscat barrels to be so underwhelming.

 

If I can interject my $0.02 into this discussion - I take your comment that "Your fallacy is that you equate “world class” BA stout as one that is mass distributed and you can get in a grocery store" to mean that only self-distributed low volume productions by small breweries can be world class? I can't sign on to that if that's your meaning.

And in general, it seems that most here have accepted as fact that interest in DLD this year has fallen to where this year's festival will only be attended by aging gray-neck-beard beer geriatrics in wheel chairs wishing for a Dragon Abortion reunion. Point not in evidence, counselor! It may be that this year's fest is down in attendance, but all that anyone really knows is that we know nothing.

Except in my dragon heart of hearts - Dragon Abortion is the yet-to-be-named special musical performer.

As you were.

I now return to my normal lurker status....

 

"Your fallacy"...

um, excuse me while I...

HAHAHAHAHAHA oh my god I just coughed up blood.

This is what's wrong with craft beer today. Only beer that's rare, waxed, or taproom or event released only is worthy of being highly regarded or world class. If it's accessible suddenly it tastes worse. It's people who think that way whose reviews I literally scroll right past. You can smell it a mile away. I really don't care what they think about beer. They can only enjoy beer as an experience if it's acquired in a way that the plebs can't get or don't know about. It's the hype they love, not the beer.

I've had just a few beers in my day. If I think a beer is world class, it's my opinion. It's subjective. For you to tell me that opinion is a fallacy is beyond laughable. Honestly, what's the end goal of gatekeeping what's world class?

Most of us have come away from this hobby learning that there truly is a ceiling for how good beer can be, and a lot of what is hyped as world class often falls far short of it. So while I don't use the phrase lightly, I do use it more than I did in the past. A helles can be world class, as can a rauch or a brown, and yes a grocery store BA stout. While also recognizing the vast majority aren't.

And btw, Rev's barrel aged distro is also world class. Hell, their barleywines are literally the best in the game as far as I'm concerned, and not just DBVSOJ. And that's not world class, that's a class of its own.

 

Did you mean Crushing Mass & Cafe Deth?

 

Yes, yes I did.

 

In no way am I “gatekeeping” but noting the exaggerated and subjective use of hyperbole to excoriate someone in a post where @Sabtos was gatekeeping himself, bullying and swearing at someone because they had the subjective opinion *in a beer forum* that FFF has been phoning it in over recent history.

The use of “world class” in his freakout/“argument” was then defined by him as a beer that is better than a majority of shelfies. Nowhere did I say that a world class beer can’t be on a shelf or that only hype releases can be top end beer. I literally said that by definition, you have to account for ALL beer, not just shelfies, when evaluating where a beer falls in a quality hierarchy.

I’m glad you like the FFF distro stuff! I do too, for the price! But if the bar for world class is any beer that someone likes, the words have no meaning. What is defined as your world class can be someone else’s phoning it in. And this last sentence proves my point:

Since “world class” has already been used up for lower tier beer, now you have nothing to use to elevate DBVSOJ but “class of its own,” which is meaningless as there will always be other top barleywines to share a top classification.

But more than anything, I hope the mods will keep an eye on the bullying going on here. I think we can all have an opinion without being sworn at or belittled by a Gatekeeper Grand High Poobah.

 

Gentlemen, another pointless argument to be settled at DLD this time in The Gauntlet of Tears!


Gauntlet of Tears rules:

Each party to the disagreement will be given a two bottles of the most recent Dark Lord De Muerte (hot pepper) variant. Each of the aggrieved parties will then have 10 minutes to butt chug the entire allocation provided. After that 10 minutes is up each contestant will enter the bottle pick up line. Whichever party makes it farthest down the line without “spilling” their allocation of Dark Lord De Muerte will be named the winner and have had the rightful argument.

 

@DeadWax you've really outdone yourself by playing the victim while doubling down on your elitism.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but yes, you were gatekeeping, whether you recognize it or not. If you feel like you are personally being bullied while I took great pains to generalize my comments, then I'm not really equipped to counter your points with any softer kid gloves than that, so you'll have to forgive me. By making this personal I have no problem addressing it. You clearly have some hypocrisy to deal with if you can't debate things with others who take a very similar tone to the one you're using. I'm perfectly fine with the aggression you're bringing to your position, so maybe fix your double standards.

The fact that you call Crushing Mass lower tier beer shows your true colors. This is the very definition of not just gatekeeping but the full on neckbeard superiority complex I described in more diplomatic terms above. Only considering rare hype beer worthy of being considered world class is not just ignorant, it's a disservice to yourself. Some of the rarest and most expensive "higher tier" BA Stouts I had last year, particularly adjuncted, were several rungs below the execution Crushing Mass achieved. If I had to guess, your remarks seem to suggest I only drink grocery store beer. If so, keep thinking that, please. I enjoy it.

"For the price" is bullshit, and elitist. And you clearly have reading comprehension issues because I'm not just comparing these beers to only shelfies. And I also did not define DBVSOJ as the only Rev beer that was in a class of its own. I specifically clarified it as their entire catalogue of barleywine, not just DBVSOJ. Read much? If you think DBVSOJ, or Rev's catalogue, needs to semantically be somewhere more exalted than that, or lower, good for you.

I don't work in levels of absurd extremes. I don't think beer can get exponentially better ad infinitum. There is a ceiling to quality beer. A fairly beautiful sweet spot for every style. We've seen the extremes this industry has swung to over the ages, doing too much to beer in several different directions during different eras to gaudy effect. Right now we're still suffering the pastry stout abomination era, though that's finally winding down.

Refinement, quality, subtlety, clarity of expression and flavor intensity can only be so "good" before becoming excessively garish. And clearly, what you think is "good" is much different than what I do.

Crushing Mass meets the highest standard I have for BA coffee stout. That is fucking world class.

 

IMHO this banter is TLDR, but caught this line and agree. To me, I want "a little beer with my coffee" to make a solid coffee stout (BBA or otherwise). Would love to see Crack the Skye on tap at DLD23.


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yes! That was the beer name. I feel like Crushing Mass was the logical evolution of Crack the Skye.

 

Yes.

 

You have been the only one not just using swears as illustration but literally swearing AT people who disagree with you. Not one other person has gotten as aggressive with you, I challenge you to find one passage I wrote that is as toxic and offensive as “what the fuck are you talking about”. If that is the only way you know how to make a point, you must have a lot of trouble in real life interactions and should seek anger management help. If not and you are able, please tone it down to a reasonable discourse.

Oh rly?

I don’t expect you to admit your hypocrisy, but it is laughable you write a book to try to dig out, every single time with more hyperbole and assumptions than you’ve jumped down other people’s throats for daring to utter here.

Wait, I thought your highest tier was “a class of its own”? So isn’t Crushing Mass in a class of its own?


See you at the Gauntlet of Tears!

 

Cry about it. I'm not sensitive enough to take the time to outline your hypocrisy regarding tone and delivery. Don't participate in debate if you are going to spend most of your time whining about the vocabulary of choice.

Yes, rly.

What, exactly, is hypocritical about stating CM stands head and shoulders above other distributed BA stouts while also holding the opinion that it is not limited to just that? Are you really so incapable of recognizing both can be true? You do understand my statement does not exclude the concept, so what is it, precisely, you are trying to nail me down on?

I tell you my opinion, and you tell me no, actually, that's not my opinion. Are you on drugs?

Honestly, I'm done holding your hand through all of your reading comprehension issues.

 

Threats of the Gauntlet of Tears don’t seem to be enough to settle this disagreement. We will now move to another challenge at DLD- The Flaming Pit of Remorse.

Rules for The Flaming Pit of Remorse:

Each party in the disagreement will be given a bottle of Marshmallow Handjee (approx 25 oz) and 25 sample cups placed behind the seediest Porto potty at DLD. Each of the aggrieved parties will also be issued a jar of marshmallow fluff, a giant marshmallow costume with a button that says “What happens at DLD, stays at DLD”. The 1st person of the aggrieved parties wearing the giant marshmallow costume and with a handful of marshmallow fluff on their hands and only using the line “Would you like to meet me in back of the Porto potties for a Marshmallow Handjee” to successfully convince 25 neckbeards to follow you behind the porta potty to take a one oz sample of marshmallow handjee will be declared the winner and rightful side of the argument.

 

Gumballhead is pretty good, huh?

 

All right, there’s the kind of sh*tshow I’m looking for when I click on a DLD thread! Way to go, I knew y’all had it in you.

I’ve only had a handful of DL variants at FOBAB and other fests, and maybe a pre-Covid share, but I’ve yet to try one I like. Crushing Mass was great, though.

 

Unfortunately for me:
Amarillo = stinky, sweaty feet + rancid cheese
Stupid genes, making me miss out on so many world-class beers. Any lawyers here? Can I sue my parents over this?