NBS BIF #17 Hints and Hauls: Subaru Drivers Won't Keep Us From Our Magic Water Breakfast

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  1. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    I have been tempted sometimes, particularly when adding a place after visiting, to post beers that were on their list but that I was not actively drinking

    But I don't think I've ever actually added a beer that I wasn't actively drinking and reviewing
     
  2. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Same, unfortunately. I didn’t have time to get up to TH for my targets box, but he’ll be getting some lesser known but still very fun local beers!
     
  3. Rug

    Rug Grand Pooh-Bah (3,454) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Another beautiful evening with one of @snaotheus’s surprise beers. Very good, seems to blend WCIPA and NEIPA pretty well for a balanced beer

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  4. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    You had me at local lagers :heart_eyes:
     
  5. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    @snaotheus

    I absolutely add beers that I am not drinking, and for a few reasons.

    One: especially when it comes to local or lesser-known breweries, I might know they have new beers out (or even older ones!) that others haven't added. Those beers might take a while to get added to the database, if ever!

    That may not matter, except for point number ...

    Two: many of us "older" folk aren't great with our phones. I use BA almost exclusively from a PC, not my phone. Tossing a rating on a beer from a phone is fairly easy (albeit not quite as easy as Untappd); reviewing is more of a pain in the ass; adding is an extra level of pain-in-the-assery.

    If I am out and about and I want to review a beer and it's not in the database, that is a quite legitimate convenience barrier to reviewing or even rating it. I have to weigh whether or not it's worth adding the beer (and if you're not a mod, you can't add the notes), plus rating and/or reviewing it. It's not super stupid levels of effort, but it is effort, and if you're out with friends or your significant other, you might well just say, "Fuck it; I'll drop it some stars on Untappd."

    But if the beer is in the database, that's one less hurdle to climb. Maybe you won't fully review it, but now it's very easy to look up, locate, and toss a rating.

    But for me, there's a third point, and it's the reason I became a mod in the first place ...

    Three: accuracy.

    I have an unquenchable craving for accuracy and truth. I'd rather be "wrong" about my opinion in the process of learning that I lacked information, than "win" and remain ignorant (yes, I am strongly in the minority of humans on that point).

    I want information to be accurate. I want databases to be up to date. I want things to be right, and reflect reality as best as possible. This is something that you'll completely understand if you're autistic, and if you're not, it may just seem bizarre to you.

    But beyond that ...

    Four: choice. If you look up a local brewery and see they have three beers in the BA database ... what the hell does that tell you? Is that helpful information, even if they've been reviewed?

    But if you look them up and see eighteen, now you can see what styles they represent, what hop varietals they use, how innovative or traditional they may be ... yeah, you may not have ratings for all of those beers, but at least you have some information to potentially sway stopping by that spot as opposed to another - and nowadays, we have plenty of options.

    I would rather have 30 beers without reviews than 2 beers with reviews. The former tells me far more than the latter (although 30 beers with 30 reviews tells me a hell of a lot more, obviously :wink: ).
     
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  6. NorsemanOne

    NorsemanOne Pooh-Bah (2,331) Sep 17, 2021 Utah
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    Has no one on here had crumbl or heard of it yet?

    There is one about every 10-15 min away and they suggest they're nearly in all 50 states
     
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  7. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    Now this is very interesting, Andrew - I think I'm significantly older than you (I turned 60 a couple of months ago), and I almost exclusively interact with BA on my iPhone 12 (or whatever iteration I've reached) - that's participating in this and other threads I react to on the regular (WBAYDN, NBS/W), reviewing beers (I rarely only rate anymore), or adding beers.

    And I think it is REALLY easy to do all of those operations on my phone - as a matter of fact, when I use my Chromebook to review a beer, or add a beer, I'm usually cussing.

    But I will admit that those operations don't approximate the pain of adding a new beer AND a photo of said beer - I think I've done it twice, and I do NOT enjoy that process.

    But I'm flummoxed how I enjoy using my phone to engage this site and you are a PC guy. That amazes me.
     
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  8. Victory_Sabre1973

    Victory_Sabre1973 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,445) Sep 15, 2015 Minnesota
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    All right, this is not from this BIF, and it's not beer, but it's something that @woemad sent to me in a previous BIF. If it's against the rules, I am sorry, but I am finally trying this.

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    Dryfly Washington Wheat Whiskey.

    Tons of caramel on the nose. It almost has a Scotch aroma to it. There's a burn from the alcohol, which is expected. I get caramel, a smooth toffee flavor. There is a slight grassy flavor going on here. Not the biggest Whiskey expert, but I am enjoying the flavor profile. Thank you for sending this to me.
     
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  9. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    Wow, interesting -- I imagine I'm closer to @Roguer's age than @ovaltine's (I'm in my early 40s), and I expect ovaltine's opinion is more in line with younger generations...but I 100% am on Roguer's side here.

    But, to be fair, I *hate* doing anything that involves typing on my phone. I tend to think that's because of the vast difference between my competence typing on a keyboard (100+ wpm, 99%+ accuracy) versus "typing" on my phone (~15wpm, ~75% accuracy). I've gone so far as to pair bluetooth keyboards with my phone so that I can text friends lucidly when I happen to be at my desk.

    I also strongly prefer any non-trivial data consumption on my phone. Look through a list of things or find an instance of a thing on a page on my phone? No thanks. I'll wait until I get home.
     
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  10. Whyteboar

    Whyteboar Grand Pooh-Bah (4,286) Jun 7, 2008 Michigan
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    I love those boxes that use beer as a packaging material.
    Sweet strike @Roguer - that is a whole lotta hops!
     
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  11. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    Receipt confirmed

    First flights have landed on their west coast to east coast journey!

    Thank you @snaotheus for a lager intensive haul of almost all new to me breweries. And for scratching my Holy MOuntain itch! Also thank you for the T Shirt!

    Taking tomorrow off work to adventure with family, so gonna start cracking into these beers immediately!
    Will share posts with y'all here of course!

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  12. Victory_Sabre1973

    Victory_Sabre1973 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,445) Sep 15, 2015 Minnesota
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    Sorry for the 2nd post here, please bear with me.

    I am like @Roguer here. I have added beers in here that I haven't had yet. I do it for similar reasons - adding from smaller breweries that might not get added for a long time, if ever. I remember adding 5 Alarm Brewing out of Lake Mills, Iowa to the BA system.
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/59839/
    All the beers listed here, I added, yet I only had the Blueberry Wheat.
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/59839/510320/

    I added them to BA to help out the community if they're ever in that portion of northern Iowa, and to help promote the brewery. I did like the place on my visit there, and hope to return again.

    Another thing, I do like writing my reviews better on my computer, rather than my phone. I seem to go more in depth on the PC, and I think it's because I like the physical keyboard over the non physical one on my phone. It used to be even more better on the PC because Imgur was really being stupid on my phone posting pictures - I could not actually post a picture, but only post a link. Now I have figured out how to go to desktop mode in my phone's Firefox, and Imgur works properly now.

    I miss the days when I had a phone with a physical keyboard. It was my first "smart" phone, and it worked great for me. It lasted 4 years before it stopped working.

    Edit: I am almost 50 if that matters.
     
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  13. russpowell

    russpowell Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,292) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    Now my head hurts

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  14. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Well, first of all, I've always been a PC guy. I grew up with a PC in the home, so much like how kids today grew up familiar with smart phones, I grew up familiar with computers.

    Like snothouse, I absolutely detest typing things on my phone, especially if we're talking about a review (much less a post on the forum!). But to add on to that, BA is infamously not particularly phone-friendly. The user interface is based more around introspective review of beers, not immediate social engagement and easy ratings - where Untappd and Vivino (for wine) - excel. Apps like those make it very easy to quickly drop a rating, and if you feel like it, some thoughts for a review - but even if you don't feel like typing (or VTT), you can quickly select the tasting notes! "Hoppy," "juicy," "bitter," "roasty," et al. It's incredibly user-friendly for a phone in a way that BA cannot - but in a way that adds absolutely zero benefit for a PC user with a mouse and keyboard.

    It's not to say that you can't get used to typing on your phone (or VTT) - of course you can. But it's obviously quicker and easier to type on a keyboard for the vast majority of people (pretty easily provable with characters-per-minute numbers, as well, come to think of it), so shifting to a phone for most of us is an inconvenience of at least some scale.

    Also like snothouse, I'm well over 100 wpm via keyboard at 99% accuracy (well .... sober accuracy, anyway). No one is reaching that via phone, not even using VTT, and I'm damn sure not reaching it. :grinning:

    It's definitely a user-by-user case difference. I loved DOS, and hated Windows. I've obviously grown to tolerate Windows over the years, and am familiar with the interface, but at my typing speed, some functions are simply literally faster with a keyboard interface. I'll always insist that a trackball is infinitely superior to a mouse when it comes to fine accuracy, but obviously trackballs aren't in favor nowadays. Whatever you become most comfortable with will become your favorite medium for interaction - and as we are all Gen-Xers (technically, even though Mike is the old one here :wink: ), that makes a ton of sense. Technology changed dramatically over our lives, and whatever we decide works for us personally is likely to stick, unlike younger and older generations, who are more likely to be stuck with whatever their generation grew up with (do not get me started on millennials - and now zennials, I guess - who cannot do math in their head, read an analog watch, or survive without their smart phone, which is not a weakness that works in the demanding environment of sandwich delivery :slight_smile: ).
     
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  15. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    Our son is trying to convince me to go to Lollapalooza with him this year (he wants to see the Peppers again) - if I do, I think I'll effectively be in the youngest 5% in this BIFer, regardless what my drivers license says.

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  16. russpowell

    russpowell Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,292) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    Holly crap!
     
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  17. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Another Gen-Xer!

    So first, yes: I feel like adding the beers promotes the brewery. I didn't mention that explicitly, but I totally feel that. It's definitely a reason I will add a beer that I'm not reviewing.

    As for picture sharing, absolutely it's easier on a PC! Of course I can post a picture from postimages or imgbb or whatever site via my phone, but on PC it is so much quicker and easier. Load the site (quicker than the multiple taps it requires via phone), upload the picture (a touch quicker on PC, but not much), then copy/pasta (way quicker on PC, way easier to notice a problem or embedded spam, and way easier and quicker to fix it if it's wrong).

    Good luck fixing your photo upload on phone if something goes wrong. On PC, it's easy. Not saying it's impossible via phone, at all, but there are definitely more steps, and more impediments to troubleshooting.
     
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  18. russpowell

    russpowell Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,292) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    Nice!
     
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  19. russpowell

    russpowell Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,292) May 24, 2005 Arkansas
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    I prefer the PC & will probably never post a picture without it. My adds & reviews are sometime just fair warnings
     
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  20. ovaltine

    ovaltine Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,787) Apr 6, 2010 Indiana
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    I am old enough to know how to use WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 on a professional level - and I remember when "email" was something you fetched once a week (my General Electric days in the early 90's).

    And I am WICKED fast doing math in my head - thank you Mr Nelson in 6th grade back in 1974-75.
     
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