10 changes in the craft beer world

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  1. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Let’s see. If I have a 14% imperial stout would I rather have to commit to drink 22oz to 25oz all in one sitting, or would I rather have the option of drinking just 12oz or 16oz and then have more if I want to ? That’s a no-brainer. If I want a second 12oz can I can decide that after finishing the first one—if I open a huge bottle I’m stuck with drinking, sharing or pouring once I’ve opened it.

    Cost is a separate matter I won’t get into, I’m just talking about the level of commitment required by large-format containers—in terms of time, inability to drive anywhere should I need to do that, how I feel the next day, overall health effects, etc.
     
  2. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    From my perspective, the 12 oz can or (ideally) bottle is the best vessel. If you're giving me a pint can for under $5 I'm not arguing. But we get into the world of beers that cost like 50c+/oz, let alone $1+/oz, and I'd rather get the fancier experience of a nice bottle as part of the bargain.

    If it lives up to the hype (price) then 750 mls won't be enough and I'll lament it, if it's a dud 16 oz will be too much. Probably it lands in between and I'll accept the placebo quality delivered by a nice bottle.

    These days I'm mostly contented by the full pours at my local beer bar. $1/oz is somehow more tolerable when it's for 9 oz as explicitly spelled out on the menu and its delivered in some obscure and perfectly sized glass.

    Although, @zid , my favorite local brewery has the majority of their beers in imperial pints. $5 at happy hour, I think. $6.50 usually.
     
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  3. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Yeah that’s way too much thinking. 12oz can or bottle is ideal, I agree. After that for me it’s just about not exposing more beer to oxygen than I want to consume within a given window. I’ll gladly take a 750 de Garde 5% wild ale or saison, but anything more than 7% or 8% and I have to really think about what I have going on for the next couple hours, is there a possibility that I’ll need to drive (if you have kids then there’s always that possibility). That said, almost all of the 150+ bottles currently in my beer fridge are 22oz or 750mL, and above 10% ABV.

    I really don’t care about the fancy experience because whatever size or format it is, it’s going in the recycling when I’m done. I can’t say I recall ever buying a single 16oz can of beer that cost $8-$16. I had sticker shock on a 4-pack of fresh hop beer (16oz cans) that cost $24, but that one was worth it.
     
  4. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    True, but the tone still got just beneath my skin.
     
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  5. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I thought that article was about as accurate and well written as could be to define the last 10 years in craft brewing. Nice job. Also there was a link in there about the most scenic breweries that was interesting and pretty well done as well. Was surprised how many on that list I’ve been to in the US. But clearly for beer and outdoor activities Oregon needs bumped to top of my future US vacation travel lists. Never been to that state before.
     
  6. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    If we ever get around to travelling again PNW is top of my list. We went to Seattle for a wedding 2 falls ago for a long weekend, all it made me want to do is go back get a van and explore the cascades and enjoy the amazing beer that was all around.

    I'd love to start in Oregon our way up through Washington; one day, if the stars align.

    Solera just made the top of my list, just checked out their site too, what a cool looking place.
     
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  7. ajcuster89

    ajcuster89 Zealot (749) Apr 14, 2014 Vermont
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    This is why 90% of the time, I just get stuff straight from breweries. Most store selections are bad, and half of whatever they do have is usually old.
     
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  8. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I think #1 depends on where you are geographically and which corporation owns the brewery. Some have fallen off a cliff or lost their way while others have improved. I think the craft community differentiates that and the average consumer probably doesn't know/care. If nothing else, the Bud Light thing showed that a lot of people don't know or care who owns what.

    I'm saddened by the fall of Belgian beers and hope that they're able to make an eventual comeback. Especially since at least some of those breweries relied on their export business to stay open. I don't want to lose 'em for good because the US craft industry is so focused on trends.

    Quick sours have definitely impacted the sales and popularity of aged sours. They're cheaper, faster, and (thanks to flavoring additives) able to hit you in the face with a ton of flavors. Yes, they lack many, many things that only aged sours can provide but a lot of those things are intangibles and require a story to explain why they're important. That's all while there's a kettle sour that tastes like a banana split on tap for 1/2 price next to it.

    One thing I was surprised NOT to see was the rise of lager brewing. For years and years the craft industry rallied against all things lager because they saw industrial-style lagers as the enemy. These days everyone is cranking them out, from the haze factories to places patterned after old world lagerhauses.
     
  9. slander

    slander Pooh-Bah (2,568) Nov 5, 2001 New York
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    I know the kid and I've always felt him to be well dialed in.
     
  10. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    The loss of market interest in Belgian beer has been so sad for me.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Pints (16 ounces) is the typical draft craft beer size in my area. Is this different in your area?

    Cheers!

    P.S. There may be smaller glasses for high ABV beers.
     
  12. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    #8 made sense to me. Really appreciate the option to hang on.
     
  13. ElBuffalo

    ElBuffalo Aspirant (262) Apr 23, 2015 Canada (ON)
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    Some thots:

    1. People Stopped Caring About Corporations Buying Craft Breweries

    I used to care, I love the romanticised idea of these small businesses making an amazing product and taking their shot at the corporate giants. I have so much respect for those that go into business on their own, takes a lot of guts. That being said, I'm not sure how I would react to an offer of this magnitude from one of these bigger businesses and don't fault anyone for accepting one of those offers and securing their livelihood.

    6. Belgian Beers Fall Off a Cliff

    :slight_frown: The ones I can find will still be in my fridge though.

    8. Nonalcoholic Beers Go from Nothing to Something

    Good. These products make breweries and beer bars more approachable for those who either don't drink or have volunteered to be a designated driver that day.
     
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  14. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    What is sad is no one is drinking wild ales nor Belgians and we still can’t get Cantillon in the US (well on any scale anyway). This would be the golden opportunity with it checking 2 styles that the hipsters aren’t chasing at the moment. Oh well.
     
  15. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    This x10 where I live.

    The government stores have generally old product, often stored at room temperature. It’s also a limited, uninteresting selection. The independent beer shops that have popped up since the laws were changed here after the onset of COVID, have great selection, but need to up charge so much because they are forced to buy their stock at retail (I can only afford so many $9-11 16oz single cans of DIPA).

    I’d reckon I buy 98% of my beer directly from the breweries’ fridges.
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Have they updated the retail aspect or is it still order the beer and it comes out on rollers?



    Cheers!
     
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  17. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    There are probably still a few of the old Beer Store locations that have those. The one around the corner from me was like this until it was renovated about three years ago. They were always out of Elsinore
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I feel your pain here.

    I have been looking and looking but I can't find Shemp's beer! :grimacing:

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    Cheers!
     
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  19. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Pretty solid list, really. You can quibble with some of the details, but overall, I think he captured some of the big flick changes over the last decade.
     
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  20. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    My comment was a joke, but I would say that there is too much variation for there to be a typical pour size at well regarded craft beer focused places by me.
     
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