Cask Appreciation: Piston or Gravity Dispense

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by M-Fox24, Nov 8, 2022.

  1. galttfwo

    galttfwo Devotee (363) Jan 2, 2007 New Jersey

    I am calling 100% bullshit on this whole system. This is a beyond bizarre claim they are making that has pretty much zero base in actual science or just common sense.

    1. Electromagnetic waves do not prevent bacteria from spoiling beer.
    2. If you have enough bacteria in your lines to spoil a beer.. the first step would be to "clean your lines"..
    3. It is Oxygen that stales cask beer over time. This is an incontrovertible fact and has years / decades of science behind it.
    4. if you beer is going sour or has biofilm.. you have pedio in the mix... please clean better.

    My concern on this is lazy publicans / cellarpersons will use this garbage and neglect cleaning their lines and practicing proper sanitation.

    The beer industry has always drawn pointless "inventions" but companies looking to make money. It is pretty surprising that the cask industry is big enough to do the same.
     
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  2. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Always a worthy concern. Hopefully, if naïvely, held in check by educated consumers.

    Hmmmm. You mean unlike every other industry? ;-)
     
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  3. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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  4. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Granted, Aeronaut has had some missteps, which is likely driven via revenue/subsistence…this has prolonged a revisit. Nonetheless, Mark Bowers is the CASC president, and Aeronaut brewmaster, who played a significant role in the quoted text above. Mark is seemingly trying to incorporate tradition/authenticity into Aeronaut’s profile = no complaints on the use of Challenger here vs. Centennial


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  5. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Might try to pop over there this weekend, maybe Sunday. Hopefully it holds up over a few days.
     
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  6. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    • The Grand Delancey (Cask Marque Accredited – VALID)
    • New York, USA
    • 2xBeer Engines (Angram)
      • PET-conditioned
      • 1xActive
      • Tapped: > Week
      • Visit: July. 7th, 2023
    • English Bitter: Bluebird Bitter
      • Brewery: Coniston
      • Grains: Maris Otter pale malt and Crystal malt
      • Hops: Challenger
      • ABV:3.6%
      • Breather: Yes
      • Pints: 2
        • Sparkler: Off
          • Pictures: 4
        • Sparkler: On
          • Pictures: 3
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  7. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    @M-Fox24 do they temperature control all drafts? I see temp listed.

    Also $12 for a 16 oz pour of St Bernardus, damn.
     
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  8. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,984) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    I knew about Brick Store Pub and Good Word Brewing but not Creature Comforts in GA. Awesome!
     
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  9. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Ya. Greg Engert actually applies this across the board: Neighborhood Restaurant Group (e.g. Churchkey)

     
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  10. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Macleod is another one…

    Spoke with Owen Ogletree several months ago, who accredited Brick Store, on accreditations (i.e. the US had a number of inaccurate listings post-COVID = they themselves did not know who was accredited/valid)

    Irrespective, Owen is the original organizer behind the ‘Atlanta Cask Ale Tasting’, and assists/participates/judges in global cask affairs (i.e. he runs Brewtopia & contributes with Marque accreditations)

    Georgia has a promising cask future per Good Word's (potential/promising) upcoming event...


     
  11. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,984) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    That's great to hear. I had never had cask ale until Good Word started doing it. I'm glad that accredited pubs are leading the way because that makes all the difference in educating the drinker and providing the right experience.
     
  12. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Holy cow! That’s fantastic.
     
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  13. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    An Unfiltered, Unpasteurized, German Keller…This is an old world ‘cellar beer’ that’s been cask-conditioned in the British style -

    • Carton
    • New Jersey, USA
    • 1xActive Beer Engine (Angram)
      • Cask-conditioned
      • Cask Tapped: < Week
      • Visit: July 8th, 2023
    • Kellerbier: Skra
      • Grains: Floor-Malted Bohemian Pilsner Malt
      • Hops: Perle
      • ABV:4.6%
      • Breather: No
      • Sparkler: On
        • Visuals: 3
      • Sparkler: Off
        • Visuals: 4
    Sidenote:
    • Adam has been talking to Brian (Carton’s Lead Brewer) about a potential cask-collaboration

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    Last edited: Jul 9, 2023
  14. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Real ale drinkers have never had it so good

     
  15. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    “…Our focus is on hand-pulled, traditional ales…It’s a lot of work" - Gary Cresswell



    • Airline – The Pub
    • Maine, USA
    • 4xActive Beer Engines (Angram)
      • Cask-conditioned
      • Cask Tapped: < Week
      • Pub Visit: July 13, 2023
    • Extra Special/Strong Bitter: Special Old Bitter (S.O.B.)
      • UK Collab w/ Hadrian Border (Newcastle, UK)
      • Grains: English (Thomas Fawcetts)
      • Hops: English
      • ABV: 5%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Sparkler: On
      • Pint (Proper)
        • Visuals: 2
    • Scottish Ale: Scottish Export
      • ABV: 5.3%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Sparkler: On
      • Pint (Proper)
        • Visuals: 4
    • Extra Special/Strong Bitter: Special Old Bitter (S.O.B.)
      • UK Collab w/ Hadrian Border (Newcastle, UK)
      • Grains: English (Thomas Fawcetts)
      • Hops: English
      • ABV: 5%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Sparkler: Off
      • Pint (Proper)
        • Visuals: 1
    • Irish Red Ale: Red Ale
      • ABV: 4.7%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Sparkler: On
      • Pint (Half)
        • Visuals: 1

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  16. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    ...an original English IPA

    • Deep Ellum
    • Massachusetts, USA
    • 1xActive Beer Engine (Angram)
      • Cask-conditioned
      • Cask Tapped: ≤ Week
      • Pub Visit: July 14, 2023
    • English IPA: Greene King IPA
      • Brewery: Greene King
      • Grains: Pale, Crystal, and Black malts
      • Hops: Pilgrim, Challenger, and First Gold Hops
      • ABV: 3.6%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Sparkler: No
      • Immersed: No
        • Visuals: 3


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  17. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Where in Maine?

    Oh man, how was it?
     
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  18. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Brewery is in Amherst, and the Pub is in Ellsworth + Cresswell recently purchased Finn’s across the street
    ...patiently waiting, for that real ale collab with Pete/BB


    Benefited off the changed conditions, from being tapped & being served at a higher/favorable temperature: upper tiers/slightly above cellar. Max is not afraid to let the yeast work (interact), but will also pull anything that’s about to turn (i.e. staling is never an issue) = This was clean, naturally involved, delicately complex, and on point

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  19. Ewebrew

    Ewebrew Initiate (50) Jul 15, 2023 Scotland

    What a great thread.
    I suppose similar to other brewers, who produce real ales, I believe the outcome depends entirely on how well the pub handles the cask. Some of our casks end up in places where it can be hit or miss on whether the beer is at its best. There is still a lot of skill upstream in the production within the industry but much harder to come by is real great cellar craft and that makes a huge difference. In the UK with so much pressure on pubs its hardly surprising we are loosing the skillsets and cask space is being replaced by keg fonts.
    Our brewery team spend a lot of drinking time mulling over this apparent paradox. Strategies to keep the cask alive for small independent breweries most welcome.