Raw Beer: 100% Unmalted Barley

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  1. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    It is a flaw, and I have to wonder how the beer got into cans to begin with.
     
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  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thanks for that, but that would be your first mistake. :slight_smile: I'll respond in the appropriate thread.
     
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  3. Arminius757

    Arminius757 Zealot (572) Aug 29, 2014 Connecticut
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    As mentioned previously, while this is a cool concept, I do not see it catching on to become a wide spread thing. A part of the malting process is kilning the grain, which is what adds color to the grain and changes the flavors. Unless they start kilning the unmated grain, all you are going to get is pale beers. I mean, you can get a lot of variety just alternating yeasts and hops, but you are removing a large amount of styles you can brew... I have had beers with large amounts of unmalted barley or wheat used in them, but never one with 100% unmalted. It does have a different taste.
    Then again, considering how most of the beer styles that are widely popular are pale, maybe they can make a bigger impact than I think?
    Interesting concept, but a niche one. And at that price point, not one that I am over eager to try.
     
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  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Aren't the roasted grains that are used as specialty malts unmalted?
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Most specialty malts are produced from malt (i.e., not raw barley) with some examples being crystal malts, caramel malts, black malt,...

    Roasted barley as the name indicates is made from barley (i.e., not malt).

    Cheers!
     
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  6. Patrick_in_DC

    Patrick_in_DC Devotee (382) May 8, 2015 Maryland

    indeed, a lot of breweries make their stake by being expressive across a style that wins fans in an area. At least nowadays. Local being the key differentiator but even in the days of regional craft breweries roaming the world the same was more or less at play. Its only when a style really hits it big with people as a new taste sensation that people pile on into it and usually people want more flavor from a different means than something with a weaker flavor which is what I suspect is going on here.

    I'm all for people trying out new things. Just don't tell me that's the wave of the future because I have a dark view of what such a future would look like. That being said, if people wish it to be on themselves to be more green for themselves and want to try something new then I wish them the best.
     
  7. Arminius757

    Arminius757 Zealot (572) Aug 29, 2014 Connecticut
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    Barley is a type of malt. "Malt" consists of a lot of different types of grains or cereals (barley, wheat, oats, corn..). The vast majority (not all) grain used in brewing undergoes malting, which allows for the modification of the grain in questions to allow for the easier extract of sugar when mashing. Roasted Barley is a specific name, but it is a malt.
     
  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    It has not been malted. How can it be a malt?

    https://www.brewingwithbriess.com/products/roasted-barley/
     
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  9. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    In addition to hopfenundmalz comment:
    (Unmalted) rice and/or flaked corn are common ingredients (used to be ubiquitous) in American-style lagers, comprising up to 30 to 40% of the grist. Conversion of starches to sugars was generally promoted by infusions of enzyme-rich barley malt mash. Today the brewers find it easier to just dump in some corn syrup.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I suspect that for the megabreweries they choose to use corn grits (which is not malted) and they conduct a cereal cook using this ingredient - they boil the corn grits with a small portion of barley malt.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. Arminius757

    Arminius757 Zealot (572) Aug 29, 2014 Connecticut
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  12. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    The same page also says, "Roasted Barley and Black Barley are not malted.", which definitely appears to contradict the first line in the description. It could be due to something as simple as a lack of proof-reading when doing a copy/paste from one description to the next.

    I'm reasonably confident barley is a type of grain that is often, but not always, malted. I tend to believe Briess Roasted Barley and Black Barley have not gone through the malting process.....but I could be wrong.
     
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  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Flaked barley is used in brewing. It is not malted. The flaking process gelantinizes the starches making them available to the enzymes.
     
  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Roasted Barley is not Reinheitsgebot compliant, as only malted Barley is allowed in lagers.

    "Malt: Malted barley only in lagers. Malted barley is the only grain permitted by the original Reinheitsgebot, which in its strictest sense is applicable only to bottom-fermented beer (lager beer). Top-fermented beers, such as Weiβbier, Altbier, and Kölsch, may use other malted grains like wheat and rye. Rice, corn, and any other unmalted grains are specifically prohibited from all beers, including roasted and/of flaked barley in stouts or unmalted wheat in Belgian witbier."

    From here.
    https://www.morebeer.com/articles/R...Law_Bavaria_1516_Malt_Barley_Water_Hops_Yeast
     
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