Cask Appreciation: Piston or Gravity Dispense

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by M-Fox24, Nov 8, 2022.

  1. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    This did not happen, as Jason was working through a backlog + Brad was low on stock per sidenote. Irrespective, a return to the source -


    • Seneca Lake
    • New York, USA
    • 12xBeer Engines (Angram)
      • 6xActive
      • Cask-conditioned (Widge)
      • Pub Visit: October 28, 2023
    • British Golden Ale: SLB52
      • Cask Tapped: October 28, 2023 (Posted Earlier)
        • ABV: 4.5%
        • Aspirator: No
        • Sparkler: No
        • Immersed: No
        • Pint (Proper)
    • English-style Pale Ale (ESB): The Dunmore
      • Cask Tapped: October 17, 2023
        • ABV: 6%
        • Aspirator: No
        • Sparkler: No
        • Immersed: No
        • Pint (Proper)
    • English Brown Ale: Bertie's Brown Ale
      • Cask Tapped: October 27, 2023
        • ABV: 5.5%
        • Aspirator: No
        • Sparkler: No
        • Immersed: No
        • Pint (Proper)


    Sidenotes:
    • Recent change of brewer(s) in 2022 halted production, which is slowly picking back up (e.g. Manhattan distro via WE/Lindsey, FH guest tapings, JWF...)
      • Some of this will occur post-The Beerocracy Bonfire Night, as industry folks make the hike up
    • Bottling line now expected to be in January
    • Overseas distribution via contract
    • Experimentation with can-conditioned ales


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  2. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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  3. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    From the Idle Hands thread. Gravity pour as always from them.

    Swung by again for the draft pour. I preferred that to the cask, but the cask was interesting!

    Get Alpha Fury if you dig West Coast IPAs by the way.
     
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  4. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Joseph Holt to host its first cask ale festival - Beer Today
    • "Joseph Holt was built on cask ale, and when it comes to cask ale the UK is a world leader in its production…we are passionate about cask ale and have continued to brew it, even when other pubs and brewers took it off the bar because of the attention to detail involved in crafting the product. That’s why we thought it was so important to stage a joyful event to celebrate our rich history of real ale"
     
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  5. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Main Bar -
    Dog Bar -

    • The Dandelion (Cask Marque Accredited – FORMERLY/2020)
    • Pennsylvania, USA
    • 6xActive Beer Engines (Angram via A Paul Pendyck Install)
      • 3xMain / 3xDog
      • Conditioned (Cellar Stillage on the Cask Line)
      • Pub Visit: November 4, 2023
    • Extra Special/Strong Bitter: E.S. Tea (Collab w/ The Dandelion)
      • Brewery: Yards + The Dandelion
        • Cask Tapped: < Week
      • Hops: EKG
      • ABV: 6%
      • Aspirator: Yes
      • Sparkler: No
      • Immersed: Yes
        • Pint/s (Proper)
    • English-Style Dark Mild: Poor Yorick
      • Brewery: F&M
        • Cask Tapped: < Week
      • Grains: Maris Otter, Dark British Malts
      • Hops: Fuggles
      • ABV: 3.5%
      • Aspirator: Yes
      • Sparkler: No
      • Immersed: Yes
        • Pint (Proper)
    • English-Style Dark Mild: Temperance
      • Brewery: Wild East
        • Cask Tapped: November 3, 2023
      • ABV: 3.5%
      • Aspirator: Yes
      • Sparkler: No
      • Immersed: Yes
        • Pint (Half)
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    Keynotes:
    • Insulated Lines
    • Separate Cask Cellar (Temperature Controlled)
    • Consistent Management (Handling/Cleaning)
    • Informed Publicans/Staff
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  6. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    “…some of these firkins come back…I don’t know…just because that bunghole is two inches wide, doesn’t mean you can throw fruit in there…we only send it to accounts that we know…know what they are doing…it’s a lot more work than people really want to deal with” - Greg Browne



    A more recent discussion with Greg & Tom who are focusing on building a cask scene around the Chicago area with other breweries, some of which have trained/worked under Greg’s direction in the past (e.g. Lane Fearing @ Roaring Table). The conversation touches on:

    • AH acquiring/installing a second engine & increasing real ale production (e.g. more firkins into circulation)
    • Developing a pub ale series
    • Reenergizing the cask ale scene via ‘marketing & positioning’
    • Importance of yeast selection more so than anything else
      • Greg uses three strains, which is dependent on the region they are going for. Unfortunately, one of these cannot be sourced per Greg’s connection
      • Sparkler usage based on yeast selection & conditioning (i.e. AH does not use a sparkler with the Fullers 1968 yeast: they condition the firkins more here)
    • Distribution, Cleaning, Methods, Etc…


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    Off topic (majority of the discussion):
    • Greg & Tom dive into their lager practices, which does not involve decoction. Albeit, Greg is fairly methodical in ‘his’ workaround + they dive into the history, scaling, recipe building…
     
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  7. soma5

    soma5 Initiate (182) Aug 14, 2023 Texas

    Adnam's Mosaic pale ale at The Mill in Cambridge UK. It seems not to garner a lot of praise but maybe that's the canned version. The pulls were really tasty. I have photos but no hosting, oh well.
     
  8. soma5

    soma5 Initiate (182) Aug 14, 2023 Texas

    I also had Barsham's Golden Close IPA. Good but not quite the Mosaic to my beer taste buds.
     
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  9. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I miss getting Adnams in the US. To think that we’d sometimes get Adnams casks… man, what a treat that’d be these days (even though they weren’t always in the best shape). The last time I had Broadside from a bottle, I couldn’t believe how good it was. I had underestimated it.
     
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  10. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    £9 million investment plan for Timothy Taylor's brewery | Bradford Telegraph and Argus (thetelegraphandargus.co.uk)


     
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  11. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Another 2023 GBBF addition to the thread, both placed second in their respective categories/regions -

    From the US -
    From the UK -
    • Deep Ellum
    • Massachusetts, USA
    • 1xActive Beer Engine (Angram)
      • Cask-conditioned
      • Cask Tapped: November 4, 2023
      • Pub Visit: November 9, 2023
    • English Ale: Abbot Ale
      • Brewery: Morland via Greene King
        • Bury St Edmunds, UK
      • Grains: Pale, Amber Malts
      • Hops: Challenger, Pilgrim, First Gold, Fuggle
      • ABV: 5%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Sparkler: No
      • Immersed: No
        • Pint (Proper): 2
    Sidenote: Gravity/Countertop is a possibility

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  12. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    DS is taking the necessary steps towards a piston mount via a trial run with Suarez (i.e. Dan is bringing his setup, from Hudson to Albany, which he initially got from Evan Watson): This will be Colin & Lauren’s first (official) cask event (2xgravity + 1xpiston), which will inevitably lead to a proper installation. This is also Dan’s first cask event, as he explores more English ales –





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  13. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Spigoted Faß to coincide with a traditional/original (countertop) tapping -

    • Event: 8th Anniversary
    • Host: Honest Weight
    • Massachusetts, USA
    • 1xGravity Dispensed Cask
      • Cask-conditioned
      • Cask Vented: November 11, 2023
      • Cask Tapped: November 11, 2023
      • Visit: November 11, 2023
    • 1xGerman Gravity Dispense
      • Cask(s) Tapped/Spigoted: November 11, 2023
      • Unfiltered, Naturally Carbonated, Conditioned @ 1.5mos
      • Visit: November 11, 2023
    • Old Ale: They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y) via Gravity
      • ABV: 8.5%
      • Immersed: No
      • Pints: 2
    • Munich Helles: Millington via Stichfaß
      • ABV: 5.4%
      • Immersed: No
      • Pints: 2

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  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    "Dan is bringing his setup" - Do they have an engine in use at Suarez?
    Do you know what "Our Finest" pale ale is? I don't know that beer.
     
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  15. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    They Do: The usage is periodic; however, this might pick up, considering the ‘new space’
    • Original Setup showing ‘Our Finest’, which is their American/English hybrid (Post Date: April) -

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  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Thanks for taking the time to reply. :beers:
     
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  17. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    This pertains to the Elmhurst location, which opened in September: Cask ale is a focal point, and one that’s looked after -


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  18. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Bit more on Dan's research below: he also did a deep dive into Ron's blog (Shut up about Barclay Perkins)


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    MH - who is currently conditioning across cask, bottle, and bag - is exploring/testing the 'aluminum world' as well with plans to can-condition/distro at some point -


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  19. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,941) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Nice to see Ian put the Mild back into rotation & accommodate distro, considering Dogwood closed their doors (i.e. sold/undergoing renovations) –

    • JWF (Cask Marque Accredited – FORMERLY)
    • New York, USA
    • 2xActive Beer Engines (Angram)
      • Cask-conditioned
      • Cask Tapped: November 13, 2023
      • Pub Visit: November 17, 2023
    • English-style Mild Ale: XXXX Mild
      • Brewery: Old Glenham
      • Grains: Marris Otter, Crystal, Black & Chocolate Barley
      • Hops: Fuggles, EKG & Bramling Cross Hops
      • ABV: 5%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Sparkler: No
        • Pint (Proper)
    • English-style Pale Ale (ESB): Weavers Pale Ale
      • Brewery: Old Glenham
      • Grains: Marris Otter Barely
      • Hops: Fuggle, EKG, Celia
      • ABV: 4.2%
      • Aspirator: No
      • Sparkler: No
        • Pint (Proper)/Top-Up

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  20. 2beerdogs

    2beerdogs Grand Pooh-Bah (5,682) Jan 31, 2005 California
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    Thanks for linking the article, Jack.
     
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