Why do people like IPAs?

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  1. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    If you’re lucky!
     
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  2. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    Lol!

    A man of few words, often poorly typed!
     
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    Peach63 Pooh-Bah (2,442) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    Is she married? :heart_eyes::grin:
     
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  4. Peach63

    Peach63 Pooh-Bah (2,442) Jul 17, 2019 New York
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    I don't think you're trolling. You joined barely 3 weeks ago. Nobody knows who you are and what you like. And I see you're a society member. That's a plus. Get yourself a nice avatar, post in WBAYDN once in awhile and make yourself known. And a belated welcome to BA.
     
  5. Amendm

    Amendm Pooh-Bah (2,589) Jun 7, 2018 Rhode Island
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    I was accused of trolling when I first joined, certain questions will raise eyebrows.

    I think what you are missing is that there are several sub styles and it looks like you have only tried "Hazies" aka NEIPA and maybe hazy AIPAs.

    I recommend you take two "Clear" Westcoast IPAs and review them in the morning. Cheers.
     
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  6. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    You mentioned Revolution.You aren't that far away from beer nirvana then. The Beer Temple. Get advice for your adventure. Take it home. Or drink it there. It will cost you. But, you will enjoy it. And feel cheated completely fair, and quite a bit wiser for it.
     
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  8. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Well, to create an argument that because of variety (or erosion of meaning :wink:) IPAs offer something to a majority of beer drinkers, while in comparison pale lagers can't offer something to as many beer drinkers, is really just a theoretical argument that has no basis in what a majority of beer drinkers actually drink. With no intended disrespect to your thought process, reality immediately pulls the rug out from under that argument. :slight_smile:
     
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  9. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    Same with SN CELEBRATION . Oh, NOW you're an IPA?
     
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  10. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    His verbiage was meticulously imperfect.
     
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  11. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    That's not at all what I said. I never suggested that IPAs are preferred by more beer drinkers; statistically, they aren't. Light lagers dominate global beer drinking trends. The majority of beer drinkers prefer beer-flavored-beer. But the question the OP asked has nothing to do with that.

    What I did say, in reference to the OP's question - which isn't, "Why do most people like IPAs?" but was, "Why do people like IPAs?" as in, any people at all - is that IPAs offer a broader range (variety) of flavors and options, including bitterness level and ABV, than your traditional lager or ale styles - beer-flavored-beer. Consequently, for people who don't like what they perceive as "traditional" beer, there's a much greater chance that there's an IPA out there that they will like - and what the OP dislikes about IPAs is not by any means a template one can apply to all IPAs.

    He says, essentially, "I don't like IPAs (but I really mean bitter WC IPAs)." I responded: "While some people like that [and I made a separate argument for the appreciation of bitter flavors], there is so much variety in IPAs that people can find something they like, even if they don't like bitter pine bombs."

    It's a pretty simple argument, really, and I don't see how reality undermines that at all.

    One may as well ask, "Why do people like beer?" and pretend that all beer tastes the same. That's the macro to my micro, and obviously there's more variety among all beer than just around IPAs, but it's an argument against the same myopic viewpoint, where your experience with CAN-O-BEER "X" is what you apply to all beers (or all IPAs in the micro). [The royal you, not you, Zid. :wink: ]

    Why does person X like IPAs? It may well be for a different reason than person Y, or person Z - but they all have valid, albeit subjective, reasons for liking IPAs. There may be overlap in what they like, or they may very well like completely different sub-styles of IPAs (the HazeBro who can't stand Stone IPA; the traditional HopHead who wants nothing to do with a Milkshake IPA).

    But if you ask the question, "Why do Coors Light drinkers enjoy it?" and you're coming from an initial viewpoint of you, yourself, not enjoying Coors Light (as the OP stated regarding his own dislike of IPAs), the argument pretty much stops and ends at, "They like something that you don't." Hand that person a Pilsner Urquell, and if they hate beer-flavored-beer, surprise: they're still going to hate it. They just don't like it (and that's OK). There really isn't a parallel argument toward, "Well, you just really need to try the 0 IBU dry hopped imperial pilsner they released yesterday!"

    (There is a separate argument about why AAL drinkers have their own preferences, say Coors over Bud, but that's definitely not an argument about the wide variety of flavors delivered by different AALs.)

    But to summarize, the OP wondered why any people could like IPAs at all, and the very, very simplest response is that there's a ton of variety in IPAs, and what the OP perceives as "an IPA" is but one sub-style in a variety of very, very different tasting beers. It's rather silly to wonder why, if you don't like chocolate, someone else could like vanilla. :wink:
     
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  12. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Well, that's a discussion about styles/labeling, not necessarily about what people like or don't like about IPAs.

    Frankly, labels are always subjective, and language is always changing (much as some would prefer it remains static). @jesskidden has a picture database, no doubt, of "Ales and Stouts" signs, and "Beer and Ale" signs from old-timey pubs.

    But when did Ale become a Beer, then? IS THAT MARKETING???

    The reality is that an IPA is still an ale. And it's a pale ale. And it's an India Pale Ale. None of these are incorrect, but one of them is more specific, and suggests a more specific experience to the consumer. Would anyone honestly argue that Celebration and Two-Hearted aren't properly classified as IPAs?

    I'm sure sales are a part of it, but there's no dishonesty in the label. Last time I checked, Pseudo Sue and Zombie Dust are still labeled as American Pale Ales (specifically, "Pale Ale" and "Undead Pale Ale," respectively), even though the way they're treated and enjoyed are really as slightly lower ABV IPAs. Wouldn't they also benefit from being marketed as IPAs?

    It seems to be that SN and Bells updated the labels to reflect a style emerging in popularity (the American IPA, specifically, not just IPAs historically) that better described the beer in the bottle/can/keg than simply Pale Ale, which was fine, but less specific. And if it helps sales at the same time? Well, good for them! That's a win-win.
     
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  13. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I felt like I was quoting you not too far from verbatim, but it's all good... and I guess I didn't understand your intent. You make my head hurt. :smile::beers: I know my manner of posting probably does the same to others. :slight_smile:
     
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  14. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Speaking of labels, when he arrived in the Americas Christopher Columbus thought he was in India. So is there really a difference between an IPA and an APA? Or is that just marketing as well?

    <ducks>
     
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  15. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    ISO Caribbean IPA.
     
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  16. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Why do people like mayonnaise? It's slimy and gross, but folks seem to not be able to have a BLT without it.
     
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  17. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Sure, but have you ever tried it in an IPA? You wouldn’t think it works—and you would be right.
     
  18. DarkDragon999

    DarkDragon999 Maven (1,331) Feb 13, 2013 Rhode Island

    Ehh Ive seen that take floating around online but growing up I never knew anyone who thought that. When I think of slimy and gross I think of that prepacked Dietz and Watson sandwich meat that they sell.
     
  19. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I forget how I came across this but it just popped into my head after seeing your ISO.


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  20. BanquetEnjoyer

    BanquetEnjoyer Aspirant (209) Jul 14, 2022 New York

    I get why people like them (I buy them sometimes), but I don't get why they're so dominant.
     
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