Is it me or St. Bernardus having a chlorine problem?

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  1. WizardX

    WizardX Initiate (109) Jul 21, 2023 Sweden

    Got a mix pack from StB; Prior 8, ABT 12, Tripel and Wit. With high expectations I tried the Tripel some weeks ago. Herbal flavour with a puzzling smell of cheese and bad egg together with note of chlorine.

    It wasn't really bad, but weird, so I figured that this is probably what people like, a fresh and bold profile, a bit controversial so as to get some attention. I concluded that it probably was just me that wasn't ready for it, after all I did get the pack mainly for the two dark beers.

    Then I tried the Wit a week later. Taste like soap. Smells like a bathhouse. Couldn't finish the glass, came back some hours later for a reality check and it was still horrible, but then again taste vary a lot from person to person.

    And yesterday opened the Prior 8. Not horrible. The richness of flavours almost covered the chlorine note and, this time more subtle, soap character. Could have been truly great if not for that.

    I'm now thinking that something is wrong, with me, or the beer, or with something else.

    Any insights?
     
  2. Wheataleguy

    Wheataleguy Zealot (609) Mar 2, 2024 Georgia

    Strange indeed. Perhaps the distributer left the pallet on the sunny sidewalk long enough to skunk it all.
     
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  3. Steve_Studnuts

    Steve_Studnuts Maven (1,355) Apr 21, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Probably something wrong with the beer. I almost never see Belgian beer refrigerated in stores. Let it sit long enough under fluorescent lighting and it's going to go bad eventually.
     
  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Through the cardboard? Musta been really sunny that day...
     
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  5. Trull

    Trull Pooh-Bah (1,843) Dec 24, 2016 Massachusetts
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    I think had the same mixed pack as you and didn’t love it either. The Quad was the best. I couldn’t finish the dubbel and the Wit was pretty tastless. On a brighter not I liked the glass that came with it a lot.
     
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  6. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    Those packs tend to be on the expensive side, like around $25. Seems there is a segment of "craft beer" buyers that won't spend that much unless it is an IPA with a bad neon label with the words hazy and juicy on it (yes a bit of hyperbole, so what) :slight_smile:

    Though, those do tend to sit around a long time on the shelf. I'm sure that pack was pretty old. Tripels and Wits in particular don't age well for me. But I did have several St Bernardus Wits on tap at one of my favorite places in town they other day, Cafe Brussels, and it was great. No off flavors or soapiness at all.

    (Edit, just saw the OP's location is in Sweden, so not sure on the price and hyperbolic trendy beer buying there :slight_smile:)
     
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  7. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Does not compute. :wink:
     
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  8. LAFreeway

    LAFreeway Zealot (669) Aug 2, 2023 California

    I bought some Christmas ale last December and it tasted like the previous editions that I’ve had. I even did a side by side with year old Christmas ale and I couldn’t pick up any differences. No chlorine taste either.

    I have always thought that their Wit had a weird little chemical taste to it. It sounds different from what you noticed.
     
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  9. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
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    I somewhat recently posted how inconsistent st bernie beers can be. I think it’s a brewery QC issue. Bought that pack a few years ago myself and while I can’t remember what specifically, most of the beers were off. I’ve had 12s that were magical, others that literally couldn’t be poured, and one that went into the drain. Unfortunately, as great as SB12 is when it’s right, don’t think I’ll ever buy any beers from this brewery again (except the occasional Xmas ale). Easy choice when Rochefort is on the same shelf.

    Whenever I see a bottle of this, I wonder if it’s actually intentional:
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/259/444089/
     
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  10. LesDewitt4beer

    LesDewitt4beer Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,315) Jan 25, 2021 Minnesota
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    That's too bad. I've actually returned beers to liquor stores because they was terribly skunked or when I got home I finally found the expiration date and was 15 mo Old. And talkin' about a Lager. Yucko. They always give me store credit for something else.
    Perhaps your Bernie 4pk never had a chance. Bottles weren't sterile, or the caps. Extreme temperature changes, UV light, one of the monks was throwin' out F bombs as he was filling the bottles :laughing:
     
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  11. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Years ago I lived near a store that stocked the full range of St. Bernadus and enjoyed it regularly. I never found any of the off flavors listed by the OP but that was a decade ago.
     
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  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Don't know what sort of language - or even which language - is used on the bottling line, but it's doubtful any monks are working on it. St. Bernardus is privately owned, purchased by Hans Depypere in 1998. That's not even a monk (sometimes winking...) on the label:
    “He doesn’t have a ‘keppel’ on his head. He doesn’t have a closed robe. Let’s just say it’s not a monk, but rather a medieval counselor.”
     
  13. dcw6363

    dcw6363 Zealot (552) Nov 11, 2009 Wisconsin
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    The last time I bought a 4 pack of St B 12, all four were bad. Oxidized, if memory serves, but it’s been 3-4 years so I don’t really remember. They were drain pours though. It’s a shame because I love that beer. I’m scared to buy it now though.

    There are a couple local places that have it on tap somewhat regularly, so I can get a fix that way
     
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  14. WizardX

    WizardX Initiate (109) Jul 21, 2023 Sweden

    Thanks for all the insights here, I'm now rather sure that this was my first beer-gone-bad encounter. To try it on tap sounds fair, I will then approach it with great care, like a cat taking on a cobra. :+1:

    Yup it's the same over here, and that's what made me unsure. There is so much going on that it's hard to know what to expect. Which is great :grin:
    We have this https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/12172/271341/ from one of the locals. Heaps of juice in it, soapy mango juice. It's ok with me, but some totally love it. And the shelves are full of similar stuff. I will enjoy this one for Easter https://dugges.se/beers/eestar-dhoop/
    It's about 12$ for one 500ml can.
    I really hope it will be worth it :grimacing:
     
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  15. crazyspicychef

    crazyspicychef Pooh-Bah (2,341) Sep 27, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Do you eat cilantro or coriander?
    Some people have a genetic intolerance to the plant where it tastes very soapy vs citrusy.
    Seeing as some but not all Dubbels & Tripels are made with coriander and almost all Wits are, that is my best guess, other than mishandling of said beers.
    I could see one beer being infected, but not the entire mixed lot.
     
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  16. WizardX

    WizardX Initiate (109) Jul 21, 2023 Sweden

    Now that's interesting. I really like to put some fresh coriander leaves in some of my cooking, but I definitely think it's got a soap character that can get overwhelming if abused, like what my wife is doing with it - salad :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

    Coriander could very well explain part of my experience. But the chlorine remains. I remember drinking chlorinated water in France once, wasn't good. The beers were not close to that bad of course. Are some central european breweries using a de-chlorination process before brewing?
     
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The format of coriander in those beers are seeds. The format of leaves (i.e., cilantro) provides a differing flavor (e.g., a soapy flavor for some people; but not me).

    I homebrew with coriander (e.g., Belgian Wit) and for my personal palate it provides a citrusy flavor:

    "Coriander

    First, a fun fact. Did you know that coriander seeds are the seeds of the cilantro plant?

    Coriander can be purchased in two formats: ground coriander like you will find at the supermarket or whole seeds. I have a strong preference for purchasing whole seeds since the concept is that they will be fresher and more vibrant. Sorta like choosing to buy whole bean coffee vs. pre-ground coffee.

    And when it comes to coriander seeds there are two types: round and oblong. The oblong seeds are also called Indian coriander. I have brewed with both types and have enjoyed the beers from both but for my palate the Indian coriander contributes a greater citrus flavor which I prefer."

    https://www.morebeer.com/articles/Brewing_Witbier

    Cheers!
     
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