Beers "on the borderline" between ale and lager

If you need help drinking these explorations and want another opinion... I'm close by!

 

I thought Jack's Abby is supposed to be doing something similar: brewing with lager yeasts but amping things up with hop profiles typically found in ales. OP, since you are in their area, do you have any comment on JA? I hear tons of praise on here, but remain skeptical myself that they are truly hitting the bready malt profiles characteristic of the best lagers. Would appreciate any insights as to whether or not they fit the "borderline" profile. (If so, would also possibly be interested in a trade for some Olde Meck beers).

 

[quote="hoppusmaxximus, post: 801970, member: 611851" How possible/beneficial would it be to do a primary fermentation with an ale yeast, and a secondary with lager, or vice-versa, each with appropriate temperatures and such? Could be interesting, I suppose...though I've ever really been a lagr guy, per se.[/quote]
After primary fermentation there's very little sugar left to ferment-secondary is just a conditioning period, not really a fermentation.

 

how expensive are they in RI?

 

Jabby Brau and Fire in the Ham, primarily. Heard mixed things about the former, and I can be pretty particular about the latter style

 

After primary fermentation there's very little sugar left to ferment-secondary is just a conditioning period, not really a fermentation.[/quote]
I'm generating potentially stupid ideas in my head right now...but they'll be fun...I will need a white coat and I should start letting my hair go crazy...I am willing to break a pallet of eggs to cook just one perfectly.

 

Doppel Bocks and Eisbocks.... Samichlaus, Schneider Aventinus Weizen-Eisbock and EKU 28. Damn, those are HUGE lagers, they drink like Ales..

 

I know you're on the wrong coast, but if you ever make it to the Bay Area check out Moonlight's Death and Taxes. It's a lager, technically a schwartzbier, that has amazing roastiness and body resembling a stout but maintains its drinkability. Amazingly good.

 

I'm generating potentially stupid ideas in my head right now...but they'll be fun...I will need a white coat and I should start letting my hair go crazy...I am willing to break a pallet of eggs to cook just one perfectly.[/quote]


Sir, I like your style.

 

Robust Porter falls into the made-up-sometime-in-the-1980's category.

 

Wouldn't that be illegal under the Reinheitsgebot? You're only allowed to top-ferment beers with wheat in them in Germany.

 

careful, not everyone here has your highly tuned sarcasm meters...

 

"Americans" like the authors of these beer books?

Prost! [1997] Dornbusch, Horst​

“Chapter 12 – German Ales” ​

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Classic Bottled Beers of the World, Protz, Roger [1997] ​

“Altbier – Literally ‘old beer’, a German ale associated with the city of Dusseldorf."​

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The World Guide to Beer, Jackson, Michael [1977] ​

Index ​

“Ales 15*, 72 (Germany), 127-130 (Belgium)​

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Note- By quoting the above, I am in no way accepting the authority or accuracy of some of the above writers .
In Jackson's defense, he primarily broke the two main beer categories into "Top Fermenting" and "Bottom Fermenting" in his books (probably where I learned it), and usually did not fall into using the "Ale/Lager" shorthand.

 

Well, it is cold(er) fermented w/ lager yeast. Probably yes.

 

Biere de Garde and Belgian Strong Golden are both lagered ale styles. I guess BdG can be brewed with lager yeast, as well.

Duvel - what fizzy yellow beer should taste like!

 

Westbrook's 2nd anniversary beer is what they are calling a "baltic stout" - it's a big imperial stout fermented with a German lager yeast.

 

Totally ignore Dornbusch. http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/horst-dornbuschs-ultimate-almanac.html
Totally ignore Roger Protz.
Both these writers, though stylish, aren't noted for accuracy or deep research.I wouldn't buy a road map which either of them had anything to do with.
Michael Jackson actually stated that he was using the word "Ale" in a loose style for a specific purpose.