Best Bittering Hop

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  1. doughanson78

    doughanson78 Savant (1,103) May 28, 2011 Washington

    What is the tastiest hop to use for bittering? I want to brew an IPA. I've got 2-3 ozs. of Citra that I'll probably dry hop with. What should I use for bittering?

    Any good recipes using the Citra I have?
     
  2. trginter

    trginter Pundit (755) Dec 1, 2008 Michigan

    I recently had good success with 1.5oz of Warrior in my IPA. I actually used Citra for bittering in my first IPA, 1.25oz. Wasn't as bitter as my Warrior IPA but AWESOME bitterness flavor paired with my other hop choices (Simcoe, Sorachi-Ace)
     
  3. cmac1705

    cmac1705 Zealot (517) Apr 30, 2010 Florida

    I'm generally of the opinion that a bittering hop provides little flavor, if any at all. With that in mind, I tend to use what ever high alpha hop I have on hand to bitter with.

    I've bittered with Citra, flavored with Citra, and dry hopped with Citra. It works well for all purposes.
     
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  4. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
    Pooh-Bah

    Yeah, too bad you can't find it anymore. Heh

    OP: Lots of people just use high alpha hops that tend to fit the the style they are brewing.
     
  5. doughanson78

    doughanson78 Savant (1,103) May 28, 2011 Washington

    I've heard Nugget, Centennial, Chinook, and others. So just go with whatever has high alpha at the brewstore? Kind of experiment?
     
  6. cmac1705

    cmac1705 Zealot (517) Apr 30, 2010 Florida

    I think freshops.com still has some, if you're in the market.
     
  7. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    Less so for an IPA, (I typically use columbus for bittering), but I use magnum as my bittering hop in a ton of my beers. Clean, and non-coarse bitterness works in lots of styles.
     
  8. doughanson78

    doughanson78 Savant (1,103) May 28, 2011 Washington

    I'm wanting to go with a medium to high bitterness. I just did a citra DIPA (recipe here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12571732/Recipies/Citra DIPA.pdf).
    Came out at 9.2%ABV, way on the sweet side, bitterness was almost nonexistent, and alcohol was very present.
    Anything I did wrong?
     
  9. cmac1705

    cmac1705 Zealot (517) Apr 30, 2010 Florida

    Doing a high gravity beer such as a DIPA with extract is tricky. You want to dry it out as best as possible, such that it doesn't become too sweet. With all-grain, we have the option to lower mash temperature to increase fermentability and lower the FG. With extract, it's not so simple. I might suggest that you add some table sugar next time you brew this type of beer. Up to 15% would be just fine in my eyes. Beyond that, you want to oxygenate well and pitch an appropriate amount of yeast.
     
  10. doughanson78

    doughanson78 Savant (1,103) May 28, 2011 Washington

    I drained the wort from my kettle, via ball valve, off a counter into the bucket and used 2 packs of wyyeast 1272. So I believe I oxygenated well and pitched enough yeast, but this was only my third batch of beer so I'm very new.
     
  11. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    As cmac said, dry, hoppy beers are just not particularly well-suited to extract brewing. Sweetness offsets bitterness which is why your beer is not that bitter, despite significant IBUs. Couple things for the future, move most of your hops to your bittering charge (at 60min), and 10 minutes or less to get both big bitterness, as well as big hop flavor and aroma. Your sheet indicates it, but did you do a full boil? A full boil will help with hop utilization.

    ETA: What was your fermentation temperature? Remember, with high gravity beers, there's lots of sugar to ferment, and fermentation is exothermic under high krausen, and will increase the wort temperature 5-8 degrees above ambient.
     
  12. doughanson78

    doughanson78 Savant (1,103) May 28, 2011 Washington

    Fermentation temp was probably high, around 70 degrees room temp. There wasn't a lot of krausen. I did a 4 gallon boil, so no not a full one.
    So since I'm doing extract should I just stay away from IPA's for now? What styles would be suitable?
     
  13. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    I would wager that your fermentation temp probably spiked to mid-70s which is why the alcohol is so present. I've done several beers at the 8-9% range, and the key is to take it low and slow on the ferment.

    As for styles that extract works well with, I haven't brewed extract in some years, but in my opinion, styles that are well suited with higher final gravities and less hop utilization. My best extract beer was a scottish ale, for example.
     
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  14. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Did you do a full boil? If not your IBUs are way lower than DIPA territory as you are diluting from the physical maximum of 90-100 IBUs.

    Also oxygenation of a "big" beer actually is best when you get more oxygen in than the atmosphere offers. That means only pure O2 setups can do the trick of getting you to ~12-16 ppm which is suited to the requirements of big beers... You can shake 12 hours in to help introduce more O2, though that is tricky if the yeast have been filling the headspace with CO2.
     
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  15. doughanson78

    doughanson78 Savant (1,103) May 28, 2011 Washington

    So I need to become more advanced and do all grain before I start jumping into bigger beers?
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Kjyost wasn't suggesting all grain. He was suggesting full boils. With a sufficiently large pot and heat source (or two smaller pots and two burners), you can boil your entire volume, instead of topping off with water in the fermenter. There are several advantages to this. The advantage kjyost was referring to is that with a larger volume, you'll get better hop utilization. This is because there's less 'resistance' to the isomerization and dissolution off the alpha acids into the wort, which allows you to get higher bittering levels.
     
  17. doughanson78

    doughanson78 Savant (1,103) May 28, 2011 Washington

    I have a 9 gallon pot, plenty big. My heat source is lacking tho. I have an electric stove with the flat top burners. I had another source that told me if I would've just used 4oz for bittering instead of the 45 and 30 min additions, I would've been fine.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would disagree with that source. The problem is that there's also a sort of 'universal limit' of about 100 or so IBUs. So let's say you load up the hops to get the max of 100 IBUs into 2.5 gallons. Now you top off with 2.5 gallons in the fermenter, diluting to 50 IBUs. (Actually it's more complicated then that, because one of the limiting factors is due to isomerized AA's sticking to yeast and dropping out, but the boil ceiling/dilution phenomenon in partial boils is real.)

    Edit: just saw your refererence to a 4 gallon boil. So not as extreme as in my example, but still limiting if you're trying to get anywhere near the theoretical max.
     
  19. pheurton

    pheurton Pundit (798) Oct 11, 2001 Pennsylvania

    DIPA's require plain table or corn sugar to get them to finish dry enough. Finishing at 1.022 is more like a barelywine.

    You can do it with extract, just replace 10-15% of your DME with table sugar. Make a starter to ensure you have enough yeast, and aerate the shit out of it the best you can. As others have noted, full boils will also help with hop utilization.
     
  20. Hopdaemon39

    Hopdaemon39 Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2011 New York

    I kind of like centennial for bittering- it'll give that bitter kick you're looking for with a nice piney flavor. I've also used Zeus (colombus) to good effect. However, I'm curious to give warrior a try...
     
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