New Home Brew Extract Recipe.. What do you think?

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  1. Ghettinger

    Ghettinger Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013

    I just wanted someone's opinion on this. It is an Amber Ale recipe that I have been working on and I am planning on trying out a one gallon sample batch soon. I am wanting a very low bitterness and high matly, rich, smooth flavor. Let me know what you think!
    Should be about 4.5% ABV with a bitterness of about 4.4 IBU.

    5 lbs Light LME
    1 lbs Crystal 60L
    .5 lbs Biscuit
    .5 lbs Caramel Wheat Malt
    .5 lbs Flaked Oats
    .66 oz Hallertauer @60mins
    .33 oz Hallertauer @0mins
    Windsor Ale Yeast

    Any feedback or changes would be great!
     
  2. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    The flaked oats and biscuit malt do not have adequate enzymes to convert themselves so they need to be mashed. Add 1lb of base malt to your recipe and "steep" at ~154-156 for 45-60 minutes Then rinse with 170 deg water per usual and that's a partial mash.
     
  3. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Agree with cmmcdonn about flaked oats and biscuit malt requiring a mash for conversion. You'll probably get some toasty flavors from the biscuit malt, even if you are steeping. But you'll probably extract some starches that are not metabolized the yeast. You won't gain alcohol from these malts, but the starches may influence the mouthfeel and clarity. Could also act as substrate for bacteria. Know that I am speaking of things that I believe to be true but have not experienced myself. Conversion issues aside, my preference is less crystal malt. I rarely go over 1# in a 6 gallon batch. You said you want malty, and if by that, you mean sweet, this crystal should get you what you are looking for.
     
  4. Ghettinger

    Ghettinger Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013

    Everything but the LME is strictly for a little difference in flavor, color and mouthfeel. Alcohol conversion is almost exclusively from the LME. I think I will look into adding a base malt to bump the alcohol content. I may decrease the crystal and bump up the biscuit just because I have enjoyed aroma of a biscuity brew.
    Thanks for you help!
     
  5. Ghettinger

    Ghettinger Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013

    I think I'm going to change this to an all-grain BIAB recipe. Mash in at around 154 for 60 mins, mash out at 170 for ten minutes and rinse the grains. (Like cmmcdonn suggested). With a 60% efficiency the recipe below should hit 5.1% ABV and 4.0 IBU. This would be my first all grain so I'm not shooting for a high efficiency.
    So now the recipe would be:

    8 lbs Two-row
    2 lbs Crystal 60L
    1 lbs Biscuit
    .5 lbs Caramel Wheat Malt
    .5 lbs Flaked Oats
    .66 oz Hallertauer @60mins
    .33 oz Hallertauer @0mins
    Windsor Ale Yeast
     
  6. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    4.4 IBUs? Seems low to me. And yes, you really should do a mini-mash. Also be careful on water volumes for a mini-mash. In your case about a gallon of water is fine.
     
  7. Ghettinger

    Ghettinger Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013

    These recipes would be for full five gallon batches. I will scale it town for a first batch brew test.
    The haallertauer hops aren't necessarily a bittering hop as much as they are considered a aroma hop. The 4.4 number was given to me by the brew calculator I use so I am not sure how accurate it is. I guess I will find out once I brew it.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hallertauer is often a dual purpose (bittering and flavor/aroma) hop in styles where it is typically used . And the hallertauer hops you are adding at 60 minutes are where your 4.4 IBUs are coming from. You're going to need more than 4.4 IBUs for a drinkable amber ale. How did you arrive at the 0.66 ounces?
     
  9. Ghettinger

    Ghettinger Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013

    I just split the ounce between 60 and 0 minutes. I wanted the majority to be put towards bittering so I put two thirds of the ounce at the 60 min mark. If I bumped it up to 1.5 oz at 60 mins and .5 at 0 mins the IBU should bump up to about 12. That is still at the low end for an ale but I am not a huge fan of overly bitter beers. Would you suggest a second hop addition?
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd suggest getting up to at least 20 IBUs, which is not going to be a particularly bitter amber, especially with a large amount of crystal malt in there.. But... .66 ounces of Hallertauer at 60 minutes should get you more than 4.4 IBUs. At least with the Tinseth formula. What formula are you using? And do you know the Alpha Acid percentage of the hallertauer you are using?

    Edit: You say you're not a fan of overly bitter beers... is there a commercial amber that you like for comparison?

    Another Edit: Is this your first batch? If so, do yourself a big favor and read www.howtobrew.com
     
  11. Ghettinger

    Ghettinger Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013

    I must have types my numbers wrong when calculating the IBU. With .66 oz the IBU would be 9.4 and with 1.5 oz at 60 mins the IBU would be 21.4. The alpha acid is 3.2% for the hops I have. Pretty low on the scale for Hallertauer hops.
    Fat Tire is probably my favorite amber ale. That has a pretty good bitterness level for me. I just looked it up and the IBU is around 18.5 so I will try to shoot for that level.
     
  12. nuggetman

    nuggetman Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Massachusetts

    I agree with vikeman on the IBUs being at least 20. You are at least going to want the hops in there for preserving the beer a little bit, plus although you are not a bitter beer guy, I have a feeling that a complete unbalanced beer will not be your fancy either . I would personally decrease the caramel back to 1 lb for this beer and I would take out the oats, unless you are looking for a silky mouthfeel. I made a regular ipa with oats recently to see what kind of mouthfeel would be created; it was not bad but it wasn't what I was expecting. I felt some of the flavors were slipping off the palate due to the silkiness. Hope whatever you brew comes out good though! Cheers!
     
  13. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I agree that two lbs of crystal malt would be too much. It will be cloyingly sweet. drop it to a lb. Bitter to about 20 IBUs.
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I haven't entered any of this into a calculator, but the number now look about right to me here. I also think you will be happier with the brew in the bag approach to convert your biscuit. And since you toned down the crystal malt (For me? You shouldn't have!) it looks like something I might enjoy drinking.
     
  15. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    How did you decrease your crystal going from 1# up to 2#'s? You have got some good advise on your batch. Good luck!
     
  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I've done mini mashes on my last couple of brews, and have been averaging about 72% efficiency using 1.5qts of water per lb of grains. Make good use of that hydrometer post mash and make adjustment there. Remeber you can always add water at the ed to drop fg, you cant always add sugar to bring it back up.
     
  17. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Oops. My mistake. You didn't tone down the crystal. I guess it isn't really for me.:slight_frown:
     
  18. Ghettinger

    Ghettinger Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2013

    Nuggetman: I am looking for that silkier mouthfeel that Ive enjoyed on an oatmeal stout. But I dont want to risk loosing any flavor so maybe I will drop the oats down to a quarter pound. And as for the crystal I haven't brewed with that much crystal before so maybe I will drop that back to a pound as well.
    I'll be sure to post here once i get everything brewing and have a taste of the wort before I start fermentation!
    Thanks.
     
  19. nuggetman

    nuggetman Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Massachusetts

    That is the exact reason I did. Especially since I made a black ipa with the second runnings of an imperial stout with oats and loved it! It just might be my taste buds. Also the ipa only had 2 row, honey malt and sugar in it...so maybe with all the other goodies the oats would work! I was just adding my findings, but now I don't want to stray you...Haha. definitely post the results! Cheers!
     
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