German Beer Appreciation 2025

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  1. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    BTW -- if this beer is force carbonated for bottling, Spaten is doing something different and better than a lot of breweries. The head is very dense with miniscule bubbles and very resilient.
     
  2. CarolinaCardinals

    CarolinaCardinals Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,231) Jun 11, 2003 North Carolina
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    Just had this one recently, so good. Really like the Tucher brews!
    Cheers!
     
  3. CarolinaCardinals

    CarolinaCardinals Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,231) Jun 11, 2003 North Carolina
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    Cross post from New Beer Weekend.

    Getting into a Sünner Kölsch for the first beer of the day. Onto the review.

    4.17/5 rDev +10.3%
    look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

    Picked up a 500 ml bottle from the Appalachian Vintner in Asheville 6-20-25 for $4.99. Cryptic bottle notching of 148; best before 1-2026; consumed for review 8-23-26. Cold stored since purchase.

    Beer poured gold with a very nice white head.

    Nose has notes of honey malts, fruity esters, and grassy hops.

    Taste is honey on white bread, apple esters, grassy hops that leave a touch of lemon. Finishes with a trace of balancing bitterness.

    Mouthfeel is light to medium bodied and refreshing.

    I have not had a ton of experience with the style from the old country, but it seems this is not as estery as some of the other leading German brands. Still a nice brew.

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    Cheers!
    Tom
     
  4. CarolinaCardinals

    CarolinaCardinals Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,231) Jun 11, 2003 North Carolina
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    Cross post from New Beer Weekend:

    Onto today's new beer review, this one is a Dunkel from Brauerei Göller.

    4.21/5 rDev +5%
    look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

    Picked up a 500 ml bottle from the Appalachian Vintner in Asheville 6-20-25 for $4.99. Best before 4-21-2026; consumed for review 8-24-25. Cold stored since purchase.

    Beer poured brown with a beautiful tan head.

    Nose is toasted malts forward with a touch of earthy hops.

    Taste is pumpernickel bread with a touch of chocolate. Hopping brings an earthiness quality, definitely there to balance, yet leaving a style appropriate sweetness.

    Mouthfeel is light to medium bodied, so soft and smooth, yet refreshing.

    Overall, this is a really nice representation of the style, glad i was able to try!
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  5. Bavarican

    Bavarican Pooh-Bah (1,815) Apr 27, 2025 Germany
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    I have seen that many of the breweries here change both names and labels here for exports. Like with Andechs. Some even have completly different beers for export.
     
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  6. Bavarican

    Bavarican Pooh-Bah (1,815) Apr 27, 2025 Germany
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    I noticed around 2012 when Paulaner opened the new second brewery outsde of Munich that the beer changed. For me it was to the worse side. I would even avoid resturants that servered it, but this year I have seen another change for the better.

    They also brew serperately at the Brauhaus and Nockerberg if you don't want mass produced stuff.
     
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  7. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Paulaner sends two beers to the US: Oktoberfest Märzen and Festbier (once called Wiesn).

    I only ever saw the Märzen at the Fest in the early 90s and at the Seehaus in the mid-90s.
     
  8. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    This is an interesting little place: Anton's Garden, a Biergarten located in downtown Waterloo, IA. I visited it for the first time a couple of days ago. Beer, brats, and hot dogs. Macros, canned and on tap, plus a few local craft brews. They do offer a handful of canned Paulaner beers: Hefe, Helles, and Radler. I went with the Münchner Lager, a very tasty Helles. We'll see how the beer menu shakes out when Oktoberfest rolls around.

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  9. mactrail

    mactrail Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,999) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    Festweisse from Schneider Weisse

    Taste is about the strongest clove I can remember, right from the start, and lingering on the tongue. Then clove in the nose until you want a gulp of malt liquor or something. This is almost entirely unlike a Festbier, so Schneider must be thinking of a different Fest. Some bitterness in the aftertaste along with the sweet malt and black pepper. Mouthfeel is silky and not as prickly as the pile of foam would suggest. Overall this is a wild ride and I am getting off halfway.

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  10. Bavarican

    Bavarican Pooh-Bah (1,815) Apr 27, 2025 Germany
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    The reason it is not called "Oktoberfest" is the rule that in Bavaria only beers servered at the Oktoberfest are allowed to be called that. Exports don't have to follow this rule. The beers must also be brewered in Munich using Munich water. There are even more rules that Griesinger is now facing. Schneider has not been brewed in Munich since after WW2.
     
  11. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    It's a Weißbier brewed for festivals, not really a rendition of a Wiesn Festbier.

    Erdinger makes one too.
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/703/11485/
     
  12. Bavarican

    Bavarican Pooh-Bah (1,815) Apr 27, 2025 Germany
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  13. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    You didn't look at the Erdinger link, did'ja? :wink:

    (https://erdinger.de/en-US/beers/oktoberfest)

    But yeah, that's probably an export label.

    But to @mactrail 's observations, he's just wondering about the distinct differences between the pale, lager, Wiesn Festbier and what Schneider is calling their festbier.
     
  14. Bavarican

    Bavarican Pooh-Bah (1,815) Apr 27, 2025 Germany
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    Export for sure. The rest is marketing.
     
  15. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  16. ATL6245

    ATL6245 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,984) Aug 16, 2018 Georgia
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    Nice review Tom. Göller Dunkel has become one of my favorites in that style. Freshness is becoming an issue at some bottleshops but it still holds up well when kept cold. This beer is a good example of an excellent one we get over here but because the consumers are either uneducated about the style or so enamoured with others it sits too long, too often. Stores just can't turn them fast enough. Frustrating for those of us who really love the style and drink it frequently. Cheers!
     
  17. CarolinaCardinals

    CarolinaCardinals Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,231) Jun 11, 2003 North Carolina
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    Very rarely do i see Fatherland based beers refrigerated as not too many beer stores have an all cooler store. The Kensington Calgary beer cave side of the state liquor store i visited in July was totally refrigerated. Can’t remember the last time prior.
    Enjoyed an outstanding German Pilsner from Notch. This was really well done despite being 4+ months old. Round 2 is the last of my DAB, such an easy sipper, so refreshing!
    Cheers!
    Tom
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  18. mactrail

    mactrail Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,999) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    Heller Weizenbock from Brauerei Michael Plank

    Quite spritzy on the tongue. Sharp and sweet at the same time. Aroma is banana bread and clove. Quite sweet and strongly flavored, and just plain strong with alcohol. Interestingly this tastes exactly like their Bavarian Hefeweizen. Same eye-opening bold flavors and the endless aftertaste of clove. They have a wild and crazy strain of yeast. It's brewed in Germany, and somewhere I read it's then shipped in tank containers and canned in 16 oz cans in Connecticut. No date but tastes very fresh, somehow, even after getting to the far Northwest.

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  19. Bavarican

    Bavarican Pooh-Bah (1,815) Apr 27, 2025 Germany
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    Plank is a nice little brewery hidden in the hills of the Oberpfalz. Very oldshool and the fresh beers are little known.
     
  20. mactrail

    mactrail Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,999) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    Thanks for your comments on these breweries that most of us only find in cans or bottles shipped thousands of miles.
     
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