Is beer cheaper at the brewery?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by pubscout, Nov 9, 2025.

  1. bambiere

    bambiere Savant (1,055) Aug 25, 2025 Pennsylvania

    Agreed 100%.

    This is the problem with most breweries, especially small ones that self-distribute. They look at skipping the middlemen as a portal to being able to survive, not as a reason to make their product more affordable, as most small breweries wouldn't be solvent financially without that significant cost v. price difference that they take advantage of with on-premise sales.
     
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  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I think the core point is that self-distribution raises prices, because, reasons.

    Or something.
     
  3. FRANKHAZE

    FRANKHAZE Pooh-Bah (2,188) Aug 24, 2021 Florida
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    Beer at the source should always be cheaper.
     
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  4. PatKorn

    PatKorn Pundit (971) Aug 30, 2007 Hawaii

    Or brewery owners who are barely scraping by in an industry that is a sinking ship and bleeding red in every possible way should cut their margins because people want to pay less for their beer and times are hard and thats the right thing to do

    or something
     
  5. bambiere

    bambiere Savant (1,055) Aug 25, 2025 Pennsylvania

    If your business couldn't make it with normal margins, i.e. 3-tiered system margins, why would you have entered into the industry in the first place?

    Or something.
     
  6. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I have to wonder if we're not seeing a Pennsylvania perspective on distribution here.

    I don't feel that most of the smaller, self distributing breweries in my area are gouging their customers in any way. You can choose to believe me or not, but I'm still going to buy from my fave because they brew damn good beer.
     
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  7. PatKorn

    PatKorn Pundit (971) Aug 30, 2007 Hawaii

    Hubris
    last 15-20 years it has become dangerously affordable and easy to take your pension or equity in your house to build a brewery
    strong economy led to banks making loans they never should have made
    hedge funds and money people thought beer was an amazing new revenue stream and falsely inflated perceived brewery values, see $1B for ballast point
    80% have no idea how to be professional brewers and 90% of those have even less clue on how to run a business so failure is inevitable
    people are vane and entitled
    have dozens more but heading to the beach to enjoy my veterans day
    thank you all for your service
     
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  8. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    So, you're in favor of a middleman getting their cut.

    I buy CDs from artists at the shows, or right from their website, so that they get the full amount I pay. I'll grab a sixer when I'm getting groceries, but I prefer to grab the same sixer at the brewery, even if it is the same price.
     
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  9. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Well said. So you're saying that, if it wasn't for capitalism, scaling up would be a good thing? :money_mouth:
     
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  10. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Hell yes. Sierra Nevada has somehow become one of the only large, privately-owned craft Brewers to retain so much culture and high quality product while still being efficient and geared toward sustainability. When you go to the Mills River Taproom, not only is the beer and food great, but the staff are genuinely happy to be there to provide you with good service and they've got everything dialed in to give everyone a great experience. I'm sure some folks may leave unhappy every so often if they're super slammed, but every experience I've had there has been A+.
     
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  11. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Agreed. Unfortunately, it's not. At least not where I live.

    I would add that it's the same with wine. Invariably you're going to pay top dollar at the winery... almost any place else will sell the same wine for the same price as the winery or less.
     
  12. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Uh huh. That is precisely it. Sure. I honestly don't think you understand this as much as your word count is implying.
     
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  13. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I'm from Illinois, and I remember how New Glarus got yanked around enough to decide to never play by that 3 tier game with their beer, and they just pissed away $60m on a new brewery expansion. Which will continue to keep their beer inside the state of Wisconsin.
     
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  14. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    FOOLS!
     
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  15. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Bell's went through a similar situation with distros in Illinois and pulled their beers for a while. IIRC it took court intervention to free up Bell's from underhanded distributor control.
     
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  16. bambiere

    bambiere Savant (1,055) Aug 25, 2025 Pennsylvania

    If you leave that brewery not totally excited about craft beer, there's something seriously wrong with you.
     
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  17. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you self distribute to places in your town you'd be nuts to undercut the price that the stores charge for to-go beers. You might lose a customer.

    I'm guessing this may not be so true for keg customers, but your tap prices likely shouldn't be too far different from the bar/restaurants.
     
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  18. bambiere

    bambiere Savant (1,055) Aug 25, 2025 Pennsylvania

    Absolutely not. I wish the system was different. However, it is not. The reality of beer distribution is that the price increase that is inherent in the 3-tiered system creates expectation. It creates an acceptable range of beer pricing in any given area.

    The problem, as I see it, is when business owners see that pricing as a reason to set their prices commensurately when they are not involved in that system via self-distribution. This, again maybe just to me, is greed, not fair play.

    A possible analogue is when brewery or bar owners look at pricing in another area and adjust their pricing to match it, not because they had an increase in overhead, but because they know that if enough people do it in their locale, that it will eventually become acceptable. All this does is leads to ever increasing pricing with little to no benefit to the consumer.

    That's quite possible. Not probable, mind you, but possible. :wink:

    Distributors, like any other business, is full of unfair and illegal practices. Pay to Play being a big one. It's a reason to start a more friendly distribution business, as has been done in many states, not to eschew the process altogether.
     
  19. bambiere

    bambiere Savant (1,055) Aug 25, 2025 Pennsylvania

    How much lower would you say is acceptable? Playing Devil's Advocate, obviously.
     
  20. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I wouldn’t be anything lower for bottles/cans but could probably be 50 cents lower for tap beers. But the tap beers could be a money maker because your brewery taproom is likely a destination business to your customers and you can get away with charging more because of the 'charming' environment. Take the opportunity to increase your profits.
     
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