Cin cin! Italian Pilsner has been added!

Much better than Ohio Valley style pizza.

 

Just like the so called Italian Pilsner is a German Pilsner that happens to be dry hopped with noble (or noble-like) hops.

Have you had a New Zealand Pilsner yet? Ironically I drank my last can of Von Trapp/Zero Gravity New Zealand Pilsner last weekend while watching a football game.

Cheers!

P.S. Should I set my timer for when New Zealand Pilsner gets added to the list too?

 

Oh yes I welcome NZ Pils! #PoppinAllThePills

 

I've always found the Italian Pilsner style a useful descriptor and have also thought the pale lager category has been bloated for years so I welcome this change. Additionally, while Tipo has been discussed a lot as the influence for the style name, I'd argue in the US that Pivo might be even more important. Matt Brynildson cited Tipo as his specific inspiration for Pivo when developing the recipe in 2013 and that beer and story went on to inspire Oxbow's Luppolo, which was the first beer marketed as an Italian Pilsner in the US.

Now while Firestone Walker never marketed Pivo as an Italian Pilsner, it is worthwhile to note that the German brewers Brynildson presented it to rejected it as being a true German pils:

Similarly mentioned here:

I'd add that while there is historical precedent for German brewers dry-hopping prior to the creation of Tipopils, there's not much evidence for them doing so with Saphir, Mandarina Bavaria, or Hallertaur Blanc, three of the most common hops I've encountered in the style. Of course the reason for this is that none of those hops existed back when Ruperti Pils for instance was developed, but I'd also add those hops impart characteristics I do not necessarily associate with the classic German style.

 

How Pivo Pils is detailed on the Firestone Walker website (with some emphasis in bold by me):

“Pivo is the definitive craft Pilsner. Crisp, dry-hopped, and brewed with precision. Drawing inspiration from the great German and Italian lagers infused with Firestone Walker style, Pivo remains a touchstone for those who demand drinkability without compromise.”

No specific mention of the so called “Italian Pilsner” substyle but instead a mention of “craft Pilsner”.

Will “Craft Pilsner” be the next substyle to be added to the list?

Whatcha think @REVZEB ? Is “Craft Pilsner” Poppin worthy!?!

Cheers!

 

No it would be Italian

 

Who actually coined the term "Italian Pilsner" anyway?

 

Some vino drinker.

 

If you're looking for a person's name, I can't tell you.
However, this definition's origin doesn't come from here.
I'm using a purely indicative article, not the 16th century encyclopedia (Swedish? or Nordic anyway) that was mentioned to me in another thread...
But I keep it well in mind (in fact, I was able to find it easily):

https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-bee...ed-an-american-crop-of-italian-style-pilsners

Obviously, everyone then attributes to it the credibility they deem appropriate.

 

I'm mainly curious why it's being attributed to an entire country insead of Birrifico/Tipopils directly. It's actually selling their contribution short, like it was some kind of regional movement.

 

I don't know if this answers your question, but Birrificio Italiano was a trailblazer in Italy, and many other "Italian Pils" have won awards at European and international festivals. Perhaps they didn't have the production capacity to become well-known in certain parts of the world, except among traveling drinkers or through meetings and collaborations between breweries, perhaps through meetings at festivals held in other cities. The "VIA EMILIA" from Birrificio del Ducato (no longer a craft brewery) comes to mind, but practically every Italian craft brewery has (or at least had) its own "Dry-hopped Pils" in the line. So I think that thanks to TipoPils, I've had the opportunity over the years to drink many other excellent beers inspired by it from (many) other breweries, not just Italian ones.

 

So based on the above article, Pivo Pils (Firestone Walker) was inspired by Tipopils. And now Pivo is categorized as an Italian Pilsner.

I'm pretty sure it was under German Pils when I reviewed it back in 2013 (and thus my score), so do I need to revise my review? And any other of the beers I reviewed in the past that have been recategorized?

No one said Beer Advocacy would be this complicated!

 

I am a full backer of Italian Pils. After all, what is Parmigiano-Reggiano but the Italian version of Sbrinz, and we're all ok with that being called the "king of cheeses"?

 

In my opinion, the only criterion you should have changed in your review would be the "adherence of the beer to the reference style", but at least as far as the rating scores are concerned, there is none.

 

What!?!

I thought that title went to Brie de Meaux?

“Brie de Meaux: This French cheese was called the "King of Cheese and Cheese of Kings" at the 1815 Congress of Vienna”.

This whole classification topic is so labyrinthine.

Cheers!

 

You can't buy Brie de Meaux in the US. Closest you can get is Fromage de Meaux.

 

That was my point. I reviewed it to the German Pils style, but now it's not. And all of my criterion (appearance to body) in reviews is based on the style a beer is supposed to be.

Not sure what this means.

 

Very nice. I like this and the pastry stout update, @Todd . We really appreciate all you do for us beer nerds.

 

I am always open to more styles being added. Well done!

 

Here's the inevitable question: Where does American Pilsner sit in this style-naming discussion? American breweries probably make just as many dry-hopped pilsners with American hops (which breaks the German heritage chain) as they do Italian pilsner.

American Pilsner would be a naturally more descriptive style name than what American Lager is.