Hi all, I got Grimm Ales' Glittering Image in at work and was trying to look it up on BA but couldn't find it, so I figured I'd add it to the database. But there's no option for West Coast Style Pilsner. There's not even a generic Pilsner option to put the beer under. Where would I put this? Glittering Image | Grimm Artisanal Ales
Maybe as an India Pale Lager? The description on the site reads, "The India Pale Lager is a hybrid of the American IPA with many examples giving a nod to IPAs on the west coast. Typically golden in color with some hop haze in some examples. Malt profiles are often clean and bready, allowing the focus to be on the hop varieties featured by the brewer. Bitterness levels vary, but range from moderate to high."
I'd put it under German Pilsner, since that's what the brewer's description says the recipe starts with. Be sure to include the brewer's description (below) when you add the beer. ISO, btw.
I suspect West Coast Pilsner will be the next added style, their prevalence and apparent staying power seem to be quite strong. I thought Fox Farm put it well in their latest email, which I still get from an old order pickup years ago: I just shared this in another thread but I feel it is relevant to this conversation.
Hopefully once that sub-style gets codified they give it a more fitting name. There's no reason to credit an entire coastline for Timbo. Especially now.
I wish brewers and beer drinkers alike would stand up against this nonsense. Either brew a proper pilsner or just live with the fact that you can't and stick to producing 1001 IPA's/pale ales. The bastardization of old world styles needs to stop. Immediately.
It's not like we're discussing 2 east coast breweries producing a "west coast" pils that is neither from the west coast nor a pils.
A differing perspective...there is no shortage of incredibly well produced traditional styles, in fact I think one could correctly argue there are more than ever right now; Fox Farm being a brewery that embodies that which is why I included their words. I think the "you can't brew it" perspective is incorrect, Fox Farm being a perfect example I believe, but there are plenty of respected breweries that brew well made beers also creating this style: Russian River, Schilling, Human Robot, The Seed, Counter Weight, etc..to name a few known discussed ones. I say this all as someone whose fridge is consistently stocked with traditional beer styles. --------------- What I personally love about this style is that the ones I've enjoyed have drank like a perfectly brewed pilsner but had all the bite and bitter that I love in class old school IPA. So combining my love for clean bitter IPA in a drinkable, clean package; how could I say no to that.
Agreed - as someone who generally didn't like the term cold IPA - getting upset about people calling something a west coast pils because pilsners shouldn't be dry hopped seems to be very "old man yelling at cloud" to me. Untappd just added American Pilsner - seems like that may be the term to use here. Timbo and DDH Timbo are the highest 2 rated beers of that style
Barrique did a NZ and WC pils, honestly most of their pilsners are hoppy or dry hopped at this point, and their lager game is immaculate across all the European and American styles. In my opinion, if you make both an excellent German and Czech pils, you have a license to do whatever you want with the style. Burial and Good Word both do the same, offering flagship old world lagers while doing crazy things with hoppy lager all around.
No idea this beer/question was going to be so divisive lol I'll give the beer a try and see how it holds up. I haven't had a bad beer from Grimm yet, though. The Fox Farm quote is excellent, especially in this context - that's how I'd like breweries to think about their beers and the way they brew.
Perhaps there could be a catch-all category for two new “styles”? Non-Traditional / Non-Conforming Ale Non-Traditional / Non-Conforming Lager
It's just the incorporation of new ingredients and the accommodation of new palates. No different than what brewers have been doing for centuries. Mostly I see this particular trend as motivated by brewers and drinkers seeking a better vessel for experiencing the lighter flavor aspects of modern aromatic hops than IPAs.
Please report back once you have tasted it. A couple of months ago I discussed in the NBW thread a beer produced by Tonewood which they labeled as a West Coast Pilsner and that beer did not drink like a Pilsner: “I suspect that if I were presented with this beer blind, given its appearance, flavor profile and mouthfeel I would state that it is a Juicy/Hazy Pale Ale.” https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/new-beer-weekend-287.682472/#post-8305839 This beer was quite hazy in appearance as you can see below. Cheers!
Yes we did. I have zero personal experience with the beer you drank. Cheers! P.S. Hopefully this Grimm product will drink more like a Pilsner vs. a Hazy Pale Ale.
