The Averagely Perfect American IPA Project - Poll #5 - More Grains

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Choose a combination of 0 or more malts from the 3 malts that scored highest after the base (2-row).

Poll closed Jan 16, 2013.
  1. Carapils

    11.4%
  2. Other Crystal(s)

    21.9%
  3. Munich

    10.5%
  4. Carapils and Other Crystal(s)

    22.9%
  5. Other Crystal(s) and Munich

    14.3%
  6. Carapils and Munich

    8.6%
  7. Carapils, Other Crystal(s), and Munich

    6.7%
  8. None of These

    3.8%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    With Two-Row Brewer's Malt as the base, we'll choose a combination of zero or more malts from the three malts that scored the highest after the base malt in the poll #3. None were automatically in, since none of them got at least a 50% vote. But because they were relatively popular, here is their chance, in context of the base malt selected. The choices are unique combinations. Plurality wins. I'd suggest thinking in the context of Two-Row Brewer's Malt as the base and the 81% attenuation needed for the OG/FG/ABV Targets. Also keep in mind that Sugar/Honey and/or Wheat Malt get a shot in the next poll. (Couldn't include them in this poll...not enough poll slots...so they'll get their shot in the context of whatever decision is made here.)

    This poll will only be open for 48 hours. Based on the first one, almost all the votes happened in that time frame.

    If you don't know what this thread is about, please see this thread...
    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please Beer Mail me. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand (not about how you would have asked the question differently). Thanks!

    The Averagely Perfect American IPA Recipe so far...
    5 Gallons
    Target ABV: 6.5%
    Target OG: 1.062
    Target FG: 1.012
    Apparent Attenuation: 81%
    Two-Row Brewer's Malt
    Carapils pending (this poll)
    Other Crystal(s) pending (this poll)
    Munich pending (this poll)
    Sugar/Honey pending (next poll)
    Wheat Malt pending (next poll)
     
  2. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    So what is the window of *L for Brewers Malt? 1.8L?
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    In my mind it's the cheap N.A. Two-Row that's not sold as 'pale ale malt.' In the neighborhood of 2L generally. If you're seeing something called 'Two-Row' that's 1.8L, I'd say that's it.
     
  4. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
    Society Pooh-Bah

    my best IPAs have had a mix of lighter crystal malts in them, up to 1lb. So I voted for "other crystal malts." Although carapils would be fine too.

    Munich would also be fine, BTW.
     
  5. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    My vote is for other crystal malt. In this case, with this recipe I'd use .50 of British 15L. Though I would not use the NA 2 row either, prefer NA pale ale malt....so perhaps I should have voted for some munich too....oops.
     
  6. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    Went with Carapils, crystal and munich. We've done plenty of IPAs with just crystal and carapils and would like to try something new. This may not be the recipe for experimenting but im sure others have had good results if it's an option in this poll. The hops poll(s) is(are) going to be interesting. I suggest keeping the process simple for thoseof us who do not have hopbacks, pumps, etc
     
  7. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    A little bit of Munich (say 15%) and a little bit of C20 or C40 (say 5%)
     
  8. Travisurfin247

    Travisurfin247 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2010 South Carolina

    Voted "other crystals" in order to leave out the carapils, which only adds body. We're trying to get a high attenuation, and the added body from carapils would work against that effort. C40 or other medium crystal would give a good deep gold color.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I voted "other crystal" for the exact same reason as you. It doesn't make sense to me to add carapils if I am trying to achieve high attenuation.

    Cheers!
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Voted Munich and other crystals (Carapils IS an "other crystal")...even though I usually use a Carastan and or C-55.

    Edit: My bad...by Vikeman's definition Carapils is NOT an "other crystal"
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I thought about this, but some famous IPAs do seem to use carapils, caramel malts, and sugar. The Pliny the Elder clone recipes I've seen use both carapils and caramel malts, for instance, and then have sugar to lighten the body. Why add body (without sweetness, as with carapils) and then swap out some malt for sugar to reduce body. I'm pretty sure Vinny Cilurzo would have an answer to that question, but I don't.

    Mitch Steel says he likes to limit crystal malt because it interferes with hops, although the Stone IPA recipe I found on line has >6%, which is greater than the number I seem to recall Mitch suggesting in an interview which I believe was <5%.

    I am so confused. Who is IPA's bigger enemy? Sweetness or body?

    I'm voting for a beer with munich malt and extra water to dilute the toastiness
     
  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    "use both carapils and caramel malts"

    If you use both...sub, don't add, IMHO
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    “Who is IPA's bigger enemy? Sweetness or body?”

    Peter, I personally wouldn’t utilize the verbiage of “enemy”. From my perspective it comes down to what you (the homebrewer) is looking to achieve in a given beer. My last IPA (a Zythos & Simcoe combo) had an OG = 1.062 and a FG = 1.012. I thought this beer was great! I just happen to prefer an IPA that is on the dry side. I should mention that this batch had 1 lb. of crystal malt (20L). I think that the crystal malt added some color and a bit of caramel taste (but the caramel taste is very subtle in comparison to the hop flavor/aroma).

    Cheers!
     
  14. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

  15. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    This.

    8-10% Munich, 4-6 of some C40 or something.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Poll is closing Wednesday morning. Close heat right now. For those who haven't voted yet, I recommend reading the first message in this thread and voting in the context of decisions previously made. More I cannot say. :slight_smile:
     
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  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Every time I see these threads it makes me smile. Nice to see the brewing community keeps it civil about opiinions.
     
  18. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    them's fightin' words! :grimacing:
     
  19. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    Judging from what I have seen with the malt bill voting the hop schedule voting will be a thing of wonder.:grimacing:
     
  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    it should require several run-offs for citra, amarillo and simcoe to come out on top :rolling_eyes:
     
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