The Brewing Industry Perspective: Past, Present, and Future

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Giovannilucano, May 19, 2026.

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Which part of the beer industry would you most like to hear perspectives on in this discussion?

  1. Brewing, cellaring, packaging, and quality control

    6 vote(s)
    15.0%
  2. Taprooms, bars, and front of house service

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Sales, distribution, and shipping

    6 vote(s)
    15.0%
  4. Retail, bottle shops, and package sales

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Ownership, finances, and brewery sustainability

    4 vote(s)
    10.0%
  6. Labor, wages, and burnout

    3 vote(s)
    7.5%
  7. Consumer habits and changes in beer culture

    3 vote(s)
    7.5%
  8. All of the above

    18 vote(s)
    45.0%
  1. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Pooh-Bah (1,975) Feb 24, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    That is fair, and I could have worded that more precisely. I agree that front of house is absolutely the most visible side of the business from the consumer perspective.

    What I meant is that because we see it constantly, we may assume we understand it more fully than we actually do, while the deeper training, beer quality responsibilities, and communication between taproom staff and the brewery itself can remain underappreciated.
     
  2. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Pooh-Bah (1,975) Feb 24, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Not at all, @bambiere. I am glad the thread helped spark another discussion. That is exactly the kind of thoughtful branching conversation I was hoping might come from it. I look forward to reading through your thread as well.
     
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  3. hefeweizass

    hefeweizass Devotee (320) Nov 11, 2025 New York
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    I've been a beer buyer for about a year now, for a small, health-focused grocery store in a very touristy part of NY, that specializes in a lot of local products. I'd be happy to answer any questions about buying/selling/distributors/et cetera, if I'm able to.
     
  4. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Having had experience in all of the categories in choice #1 (I have brewed, barreled, cleaned tanks, packaged, and dealt with testing for QC), I will say that these are very different (and separate) entities within a brewery, but size matters! Some will have a barrel master, someone who runs the lab for testing, people who package all day, and brewers who operate under the brewmaster (or simply head brewer).

    One of the key things about breweries is that the turnover can be painful. Packaging folks can find new jobs or move up by transferring to other breweries. Brewers are always looking for that head-brewing position somewhere else. I've found that the concentration of breweries in a specific area can yield some strong competition (and therefore turnover). In places where brand loyalty is strong, and the density of breweries is a bit lower, employees tend to stick around.

    One thing not discussed or mentioned in the poll is the pilot sections of some breweries. This is the small-batch and/or experimental side of a brewery. This often involves a talented brewer who is mixing and mashing (literally) new stuff to develop new recipes. Different from the brewmaster or head brewer. They are often dealing with much smaller production (smaller fermentors and smaller brite tanks). For me, this is the most exciting part of a brewery.
     
  5. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Pooh-Bah (1,975) Feb 24, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    The pilot and experimental side is a fascinating point, and honestly not something I initially thought to include in the poll.

    I also appreciate your distinction between the brewmaster or head brewer role and the smaller batch experimental side of a brewery. It sounds like that area can almost function as both R&D and creative heartbeat at the same time.

    Your point about brewery density and turnover is very interesting as well. The relationship between regional loyalty, competition, and employee retention probably deserves far more discussion than it usually gets.
     
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  6. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Yeah, the whole labor force dynamic within the brewing industry is really interesting.

    It's effectively a maintenence job in a manufacturing setting at the entry level, with an organic chemistry component, processed food production, and it all carries some cultural cache.

    Regional differences range from a very narrow range of opportunities to near constant need for entry level workers, and those levels have probably been super dynamic in most regions in the last decade.

    And on top of all of that, there probably aren't too many industries in the last 2 decades with a hight proportion of founders with no industry experience. All together it makes for quite the labor market, I'm thinking
     
  7. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Pooh-Bah (1,975) Feb 24, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    That is a really interesting way of framing it. Brewing really does sit at this strange intersection of manufacturing, chemistry, agriculture, hospitality, and culture.

    Your point about regional labor dynamics also makes me think back to Wyoming. Powell and the broader Big Horn Basin are a major barley growing region tied directly into beer, including Molson Coors and Briess. One Powell Tribune piece described Barley Days as an event where the brewer thanked growers for providing quality malting barley for MillerCoors. Briess also notes that malting barley in the Big Horn Basin works especially well in rotation with dry edible beans and sugar beets.

    That agricultural side adds another layer to the labor picture. Before the beer ever reaches a brewhouse, taproom, or distributor, there are growers, crop rotations, water realities, regional contracts, and processing systems behind it. So when you combine agriculture, manufacturing, chemistry, hospitality, and founders coming in from outside traditional production backgrounds, it really does make for a uniquely complicated labor market.
     
  8. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I am personally super into the agricultural aspect of beer. But I do feel like that gets decent coverage within the beer nerd circle.

    Although, farmers in general are not a super media (social or otherwise) savvy lot and I definitely feel like we Basically never hear from barley/grain growers about that side of things.

    But i also know that most people arent really interested in that part, its too far from the glass I think
     
  9. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Pooh-Bah (1,975) Feb 24, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I think there is also an interesting tension there sometimes between genuine agricultural appreciation and what can become a more aesthetic or ego driven version of “farm to table” culture.

    In some of my own lived experience around hospitality and specialty food and beverage spaces, I have occasionally felt that the people furthest from the actual agricultural labor can sometimes become the loudest curators or storytellers of it.

    Meanwhile, the growers themselves often remain comparatively invisible, even though everything else depends on them first.

    So I agree with you that most consumers probably stop at the glass, but I also think there are people who sincerely want a deeper connection to the agricultural side once they are exposed to it thoughtfully rather than as branding language.
     
  10. hefeweizass

    hefeweizass Devotee (320) Nov 11, 2025 New York
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    I have a few breweries on my wall that are farms, as well. Arrowood is a big one: https://arrowoodfarms.com/

    There's a barn/table beer I've got on the shelf from a farm in Poughkeepsie, they grow most of the ingredients they use themselves: https://www.planbeefarmbrewery.com/hiveshop/support-dzyf2-77h7m

    I think because the shop I work at is in a pretty touristy spot of upstate NY, most customers are seasonal/visiting and they're really into the whole local thing. The more it's from a farm, or the more ties it has to the community, the better.

    From a retail perspective, it's always exciting to get to talk to both the brewers/farmers, and to the customers who are interested, but to be honest, there's not a lot of good ways to convey this type of information. Customers are not really waiting for a lecture when they're shopping, they just want to be told 1) what's good and 2) what's local *and* good.
     
  11. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Pooh-Bah (1,975) Feb 24, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I may have mentioned this to you or not because I been making so many replies, but one side of my extended family is currently in Lewis County New York, and my grandpa, dad and I made maple syrups for many years. I believe my grandpa started production at least in 1940's or early 1950's. That extended family has carried that production into their future, but I am very proud of the product we made.
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I was going to ask you if Plan Bee was able to produce their own barley malt. From a web search the answer is no:

    “The Barley Malt Connection

    • The Maltster: Plan Bee relies on Dennis Nesel at Hudson Valley Malt, who resurrected traditional, natural "floor-malting" techniques to create the backbone of their brews.
    • The Partnership: Plan Bee's founders, Evan and Emily Watson, drive custom heritage grains from Hudson Valley Malt to their 1830s Poughkeepsie barn, resulting in a strictly localized, 100% New York terroir.
    How to Experience It

    • Signature Beer: Their flagship "Barn Beer" (5.5% ABV) is brewed with 100% NYS organic 6-row barley and wheat, and fermented with wild yeast cultivated from their own farm's beehives.”
    Cheers!
     
  13. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Pooh-Bah (1,975) Feb 24, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    One thought I wanted to add to this thread.

    I reached out to the Cicerone Certification Program with a question about beer education, industry access, and how someone translates beer knowledge into actual opportunity. I will not quote a private reply directly, but the response gave me a useful perspective.

    The main point I took from it is that Cicerone knowledge can mean different things depending on the person and the role. For some, it can help with sales, training, buying, brewing, marketing, front of house service, or sensory work. For others, it may not lead directly to a beer job at all, but it can still give structure to how they think, taste, communicate, and advocate for beer.

    That is something I think is worth saying here. Not everyone who studies beer seriously is trying to become a brewer, sales rep, buyer, or taproom manager. Some people simply want to understand beer better and contribute to the culture in a more informed way. Beer Advocate itself has always had some of that spirit. People can be serious students of beer without needing the industry to be their full time career.

    I also think there is a practical gap between beer education and beer access. Small breweries often rely on trust, personality fit, family relationships, friend networks, and people wearing multiple hats. That is understandable in a small business, but it can also make the path unclear for people who have knowledge and commitment but are not already inside the local network.

    So maybe the better question is not only “does Cicerone help you get a job?” Maybe it is also “how can beer education help people contribute meaningfully to beer culture, whether or not they ever work full time in the industry?”

    For me, that is where the program still has value. My own career focus is moving toward IT and cybersecurity now, but beer education still matters to me. I still see value in sensory training, service knowledge, draft quality, beer history, and helping people taste and talk about beer with more care.

    I would be curious how others here see it. Have any of you pursued Cicerone or similar beer education mostly for personal knowledge, advocacy, writing, home brewing, or better discussion rather than an industry job?
     
  14. hefeweizass

    hefeweizass Devotee (320) Nov 11, 2025 New York
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    Sounds like exactly the type of thing we'd carry in our store. For the customer it often ends up being just a superficial appreciation, or like a marketing tool they can latch on to when they're unsure what to get, but for a buyer like me, that's the type of stuff that motivates me: History and Craft.

    We've got some fantastic malters in the area, and I always enjoy getting to talk to brewers/reps that come through the store and pick their brains about ingredient sourcing/histories/et cetera. Upstate NY is a luxurious place to be, as a buyer, when it comes to specialty/artisan product.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Small scale, specialty maltsters seems to becoming a ‘thing’.

    I recently discussed a Southern New Jersey brewed German Pilsner from Wander Back Beerworks which was brewed by a local (local to them) maltster’s Pilsner Malt: Rabbit Hill Malting.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/new-beer-weekend-301.683174/#post-8359721

    I have also had a few beers from The Seed (Atlantic City, NJ) brewed with Rabbit Hill malts and those beers were excellent – outstanding.

    Cheers to small scale maltsters!

    P.S. The malt that Plan Bee uses to brew their Barn Beer is from six-row barley. I use six-row barley malt to brew my Classic American Pilsners.
     
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  16. hefeweizass

    hefeweizass Devotee (320) Nov 11, 2025 New York
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    I love reading about this kind of stuff. So interesting that during the 90s everyone in the US switched back to two-row again. I wonder if, along with asking breweries to state their hops on the can, we should also ask them to show what grains they use. I have a few cans on the shelf that do mention more than hops.

    Regardless, definitely the type of research that only a select few that drink beer are into doing. But that makes it easy to forget that there's real places, real people and real practices behind all of this.
     
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  17. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    This is a big issue and a growing thorn in the side of my current work.

    I've been the idealistic young man who cursed the industrial agriculture system and I've spent a couple decades working in small scale ag and interacted with some large scale farmers doing amazing things and come to see how detached from reality my idealism was. At least as much, if not more, as the most anti-biotic, chemistry focused, industrial monoculture farmers mind set.

    I'm currently working on a processed food start up with a larger goal to be a key piece of a local agricultural economy that supports and rewards farmers that are pushing the envelope on ecologically integrated crop and food production. Our goals are generally considered to be something between audacious and absurd by the farmers we interact with. And I still encounter people routinely who think we are promoting an "extractive" or "colonial" model of food production. Usually people who seem to have never managed more than a container garden and who are taking various Instagram homestead accounts as genuine representations of viable food production. Its deeply frustrating and really alienates a lot of actual growers
     
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  18. Giovannilucano

    Giovannilucano Pooh-Bah (1,975) Feb 24, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I really appreciate you sharing this perspective. What stands out to me is that you are not rejecting idealism itself. You are describing the difference between thoughtful goals grounded in operational reality versus aesthetic or ego driven versions of “local” and “sustainable” culture that can become detached from the actual labor, scale, and complexity involved.

    I think that disconnect can unintentionally alienate the very growers and producers people claim to support, especially when social media versions of agriculture or food culture start getting treated as complete representations of how these systems actually function.

    And honestly, I do think accessibility matters in these conversations too. Beer, coffee, food, and agriculture all risk becoming culturally narrower when they are treated more as identity markers or curated exclusivity than as living systems meant to connect people.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The types of barley bred for brewing is an ever-changing thing. The American Malting Barley Association (AMBA) plays a key role here and periodically they create a list of preferred barley varieties to ‘influence’ the farmers in planting crops. Below is a link to the recommended varieties for 2024:

    https://www.craftbrewingbusiness.co...ecommended-variety-list-with-three-additions/

    The majority of the varieties in that list are two-row barley crops.

    Why is two-row preferred you might ask?

    “Many differences distinguish two- and six-row malt, but these differences have become less pronounced over the past 20 years as new varieties have been bred. The high protein and enzyme content of six-row barley makes it unlikely that a brewer producing an all-malt beer would wish to use exclusively six-row malt.”

    https://morebeer.com/blogs/articles...zBP2fHQZZ6Rtlh1YICYeLcA5ftx-QfQLQK2y0mtpaxjNb

    Or in other words, six-row barley malt would be preferred for beers that are not all malt such as my Classic American Pilsner (CAP) beers which has 20% corn as part of the grain bill.

    I have read where pundits will opine that six-row malt is inferior and produces a husky/grainy flavor profile. I can report that this has never been the case with the 25+ batches of CAP that I have brewed over the past 30-ish years.

    It is likely there will come a day where obtaining six-row malt from my homebrewing suppliers will no longer be available; I will likely then be compelled to purchase a two-row barley malt to brew my CAP beers.
    Well, it is important to consider that barley malt is a manufactured (i.e., by the Maltster) product and not an ingredient per se. The numerous process steps/decisions that the Maltster makes to produce the product will be impactful to the sensory qualities of the beer. For a brewer to list on the beer can/bottle that it as brewed with AC Matcalfe barley malt is just part of the ‘story’ here.

    Cheers!
     
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  20. TheIPAHunter

    TheIPAHunter Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,026) Aug 12, 2007 California
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    This is a thoughtful post. Probably more exciting for those on the outside looking in. Cheers!
     
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