Barrel Aging FTW or not?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by COBeerBuff, Mar 23, 2012.

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  1. COBeerBuff

    COBeerBuff Pundit (892) Jan 4, 2009 Kansas

    Anyone else feel like all the barrel aging lately is sort of a cop-out? I've had a few beers lately that have been solid beers after coming out of the barrel, but the base beer minus the wood is something that I'd probably categorize as boring. Sure, there are those breweries like the Bruery and a few others that are producing amazing -bal beers, but I just feel like there are a lot of breweries that are now tossing their mediocre beers in barrels and hoping this turns them into powerhouses.

    I recently had a bottle of Nebraska's Melange a Trois, which was a very good beer. The fruitiness of the esters combined with the barrel made for a nice finish on a spring afternoon, but the finish was all chardonnay (it's aged in Chardonnay barrels). This same thing happened earlier this week with O'Fallon's BDS which was aged in port barrels. Both of the base beers would be ehs for me, but the two resulting beers are solid.

    I like it, but I want breweries producing exceptional beers, and then I want those same breweries to barrel age those exceptional beers. Anyone else with similar or differing opinions?
     
  2. nrs207

    nrs207 Initiate (0) Sep 8, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I do like them, and I don't think it's a cop out. Or at least I don't mind it. If it results in more good beers I'm all for it.
     
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  3. black13

    black13 Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Oregon

    It's not surprising that a mediocre base beer would be a mediocre/good beer when barrel aged. To have a great barrel aged beer, you really need to start with a good base product. Take Adam From the Wood, this is a great beer, but the base beer is also great. The barrel will help a beer in terms of complexity, but it's not the magic bullet that can make a meh beer turn into an amazing beer.
     
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  4. Derranged

    Derranged Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 New York

    What if you barrel aged Budweiser? I'm serious. If you took a bland adjunct lager and barrel aged it, what would happen?
     
  5. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I like the barrel aged. I think it imparts decent flavors to the RIGHT beers. Some aren't awesome, some are.

    Some are doing it because it's in right now.. I think the beers for the most part need to be decent before it can be aged. Aged in bourbon, or wine, or plain oak, and the beer takes like crap, it'll be woody crappy beer.
     
  6. COBeerBuff

    COBeerBuff Pundit (892) Jan 4, 2009 Kansas

    This is the crux of my statement. I think there are some great beers being produced, but I also feel like every brewery and their sister are barrel aging something because it's the cool thing to do right now. Heck, on one of the recent "Drinking Made Easy's" they visited a new Spokane brewery that's flagship beer is a vanilla bourbon stout. How do they make said stout? By brewing a stout, and then adding a fifth of bourbon and vanilla beans. I'm all for barrel aging, when done properly, but saying F you to the barrel and just tossing in a handle of whatever's closest at the bar screams "I'm a lazy D-bag who wants to capitalize on the barrel crazy but doesn't want to show any type of commitment to my craft." (<-- may be a harsh overstatement, but YMMV)
     
  7. davey101

    davey101 Pooh-Bah (2,360) Apr 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    I like beer. I like bourbon and whiskey. I like oak. Makes perfect sense to me. I've had some epic barrel aged beers, and some that were a complete mess. Same as any other style. It is a hot trend right now but I'm not really complaining.
     
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  8. MrGreengenes2

    MrGreengenes2 Initiate (0) Aug 9, 2008 Indiana

    I agree with all of this. I would like to add that as a brewer I prefer to make a "blank slate" so to speak of a beer before I add flavor/spice/wood. I try and avoid going too heavy on any hops, or using too strong of a yeast that will overpower the flavors I am looking to get. I have a porter on oak right now and I purposely made it quite a simple and even boring porter so the oak would be the highlight.
     
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  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Agreed. I like bourbon, it's my other crutch, other than beer.

    Put them together, and if I could add a taste of my ol' lady to the mix, it would be the only thing I've ever drink!!!
     
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  10. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    If the base beer isn't to my liking, I'm not going to try a Barrel Aged version of it. I don't see the point of it.
     
  11. FanofHefe

    FanofHefe Pooh-Bah (2,217) Feb 13, 2010 Illinois
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    Just avoid cedar barrels (Cigar City). IMO, cedar makes a beer taste like a science experiment gone bad. Bourbon and oak are the gold standard for me.
     
  12. mikecharley

    mikecharley Savant (1,214) Nov 6, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Big plus one to this. For example, ba storm king (dark intrigue) doesn't interest me in the least, cause storm king is average. BA speedway, however, interests me to no end, cause speedway is a really really good beer.
     
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  13. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Be fair...there are plenty of cop-outs. Cocoa nibs FTW? Brett FTW? 100 IBU FTW? Vanilla beans FTW? The possibilities are endless, just use your "experimentation" and "imagination."
     
  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I like cocoa nibs and 100 IBU, and vanilla.

    WINNAR!
     
  15. davey101

    davey101 Pooh-Bah (2,360) Apr 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    Would you age that base beer in a barrel?
     
  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Damn right.. I'd make a Chocolate Creme Brulee Bourbon Stout out of it. :wink:
     
  17. COBeerBuff

    COBeerBuff Pundit (892) Jan 4, 2009 Kansas

    ^This!

    Call me out for not being a homer, but it annoys the crap out of me that Boulevard changed the base beer for their imperial stout from a malt heavy beer to their Dark Truth stout. Dark Truth is a decent Belgian stout, but there is no reason that this beer should be put in barrels for any length of time.
     
  18. kif

    kif Zealot (561) Jan 4, 2012 Illinois

    I dont think its a cop out or anything as much as it is just an experiment (which almost always turns out well). The barrel aging adds alot of complexity to the beer imo, and I don't see a reason why people would be against it. If you have an above average beer and turn it into an amazing beer by barrel aging, what is wrong with that? Make the best beer possible that you can that people will enjoy, barrel aged or not.
     
  19. SteelersX

    SteelersX Savant (1,130) Jan 30, 2011 New York
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    I disagree. Not every brewery and their sister do barrel aging, and of the ones that do, it is only a very small percentage of their overall offerings.
    Look at Dogfish - If we are talking specifically about Barrel aging and not oak aging, they dont really do much if anything. Most others maybe do 1 or 2 a year.
    Of course there are the exceptions like the Bruery and FW who have whole programs.
    I want to walk into a bar and have the option of getting something barrel aged. I mean be honest, have you every walked into a bar where 90% of the beers are barrel aged?? No, it's usually 1 or 2 at the most and then the breweries regular offerings and seasonals.
    I saw the show you are talking about and the brewery in Spokane is an exception. That said, I would still give their beers a try before judging.
     
  20. DefenCorps

    DefenCorps Grand Pooh-Bah (4,838) Jan 18, 2007 Oregon
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    I think that's illegal, which is why more brewers don't do that.
     
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