Nugget Nectar

Discussion in 'New England' started by Kadonny, Dec 27, 2012.

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  1. Edwin

    Edwin Pundit (827) May 8, 2003 Pennsylvania

    That feels like a parlay into TWO free cases.
     
  2. guzzle211

    guzzle211 Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2006 Pennsylvania

    How were you able to get a taste of that, I'm jealous! Or do you mean bottled on 1/25?
     
  3. guzzle211

    guzzle211 Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Out of curiosity Jack what's your own personal opinion of the 1/8 batch?
     
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  4. sfr26

    sfr26 Pundit (834) Jan 15, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Anyone in NJ carrying this yet? Or are we looking at next week...I would love to be sipping on this for the superbowl
     
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    digdug1810 Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2011 New Jersey

  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I haven’t had the 1/8/13. Below is what I previously posted as a reply to Twinsdaddy:

    “I want to thank you for taking the time to conduct your side-by-side sensory testing and reporting back. I very much appreciate your ability to distinguish the differences in the two beers. I also thought you statement of: “The way Nugget Nectar finishes is why I love this beer and it's just not there in the 1/8 bottles. That being said, I would not declare the 1/8 bottles drain pours if already in your possession but I would avoid purchasing them.”

    As I mentioned in a previous post my local Wegmans has a boatload of Nugget Nectar brewed on 1/8. Based upon your feedback I personally will avoid buying those particular beers. I already have a case of Nugget Nectar that was brewed on 1/11/13 that I am thoroughly enjoying. I intend to purchase more Nugget Nectar later in the season (presuming I can obtain them) but I will not buy the 1/8 batch.

    I very much appreciate the BA community on matters such as this. As the old Roman saying goes: caveat emptor!”

    I want to once again thank Twinsdaddy for his efforts!

    I am reminded of a quote by Otto von Bismarck: “Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others.”

    Cheers!
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That reminds me of a joke. There was a raffle and first prized was a one week vacation to Detroit. Second prize was a two week vacation to Detroit.:slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
  8. TinCup69

    TinCup69 Initiate (0) Jun 26, 2012 West Virginia

    Bottled on 1/25, my apologies. Bought a case this morning that was bottled on 1/21, can't wait to try it.
     
  9. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I'm not sure I completely agree with this reasoning. Here's why:

    I have never met Twinsdaddy and have no idea what his taste in beer or IPA's is. Maybe it's the same as mine, maybe it isn't. Also, even assuming I was convinced that his taste in beer is identical to mine, my feeling is that there are just too many variables that go into making a beer undrinkable for one person, but completely acceptable for another. If the beer was clearly old, or if there was some indication that the batch was spoiled in some way, then I would be much more receptive to twinsdaddy's observations. Hell Jack, even a beer like the 2009 Abyss, where very cleary a significant portion of the batch had been infected, there were still folks out there who indicated they just loved it.

    I don't know... no disrespect to you or twinsdaddy, but I just have a very difficult time completely writing off a batch of NN, simply on the basis of one person's opinion (OK, in this case several), and that's no matter how much I might respect and (normally) agree with that opinion.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    no disrespect to you or twinsdaddy …” Well, I don’t object to you expressing your opinion but I certainly can’t speak for Twinsdaddy.

    I think I have been pretty clear in my numerous posts but permit me to express myself again:

    · Two BAs did ‘side-by side’ tasting of two different batches of 2013 Nugget Nectar. Twinsdaddy did a ‘side-by-side’ of 1/4 and 1/8 batches. JMSRN did a ‘side-by-side’ tasting of the 1/17 batch and another batch made this year. Both individuals noticed a difference in the two beers and reported similar observations: The 1/8 and 1/17 batches were out of balance being more malty than hoppy.
    · As you have mentioned there were numerous BAs who commented that the 1/8 batch is out of balance and taste ‘old’. Those folks were: slentz, Steeeve, boblinnemane, Twinsdaddy, Twinsdaddy’s wife, and BelgianBeerMan7
    · I remember reading last year that BAs experienced issues with a batch of Nugget Nectar. This information was ‘repeated’ by warriorsoul: “I also purchased a case last year with a date that people complained about here on BA and guess what...? I dumped almost every one down the drain, because the beer tasted overly malty, lacked any freshness and there was simply, no balance. My wife is also a huge fan and she too would not drink them.”

    It is obvious to me (but apparently not to you?) that there are batch to batch inconsistencies with Nugget Nectar for 2012 and 2013.

    You state: “I just have a very difficult time completely writing off a batch of NN, simply on the basis of one person's opinion (OK, in this case several) …” It is certainly your right to disbelieve (is that the correct word?) what numerous BAs have posted on various Nugget Nectar batches. Personally there are too many folks posting the same observation for me to not buy into the batch to batch variation issue.

    You also state: “I have never met Twinsdaddy and have no idea what his taste in beer or IPA's is. Maybe it's the same as mine, maybe it isn't.” I would suggest that whether you have the same taste in IPAs as Twinsdaddy is not as relevant as to whether you believe that Twinsdaddy has the ability to truly distinguish between two batches of Nugget Nectar brewed just a few days apart. Needless to say but my statement of: “I very much appreciate your (Twinsdaddy) ability to distinguish the differences in the two beers” indicates that I have full confidence in Twinsdaddy’s ability to recognize differences.

    John, please feel free to purchase the 1/8 and 1/17 batches of Nugget Nectar. Those beers are not technically “old” and they are not “spoiled”. They are just not reported to be as well balanced as other batches and they simply taste “old”.

    Cheers!

    Jack

    P.S. I just want to thank all of the BAs who have taken the time to post to this thread and express your opinons on the various batches. I for one find your service helpful and I personally appreciate it!
     
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  11. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    The only batch I've been able to obtain so far is the 1/8 (from what I could tell). As I indicated previously, the batch tasted a bit maltier than previous batches that I recalled from several years ago. That being said, the last couple of bottles from my 6 pack actually tasted better than the first couple of bottles (for God knows what reason).

    Jack, it's not that I don't believe you guys, but I still think I need to try the beer for myself before deciding to completely write off the batch. If I can try the 1/17, I most certainly will, but I don't have the same options you and Twinsdaddy have, so I'm not sure I'll have the opportunity.

    My guess is that there are likely batch inconsistencies with every batch of beer Troegs makes. Most are probably pretty insignificant, while others are more so. There may indeed be some batch inconsistencies with NN this year. The question is, are they so great that they warrant some kind of wholesale boycott of the batch. You seem to feel that such is warranted. All I'm saying is that I'm not so sure of that, and would want to taste it myself before making such a decision. Based on what I've sampled over the past week, I guess I would describe myself as mildly disappointed, but not so disappointed that I wouldn't buy it and later batches again.

    It's just my opinion Jack...
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Jack, it's not that I don't believe you guys, ..” Permit me to be perfectly clear in that I am not really one of the “guys”. I have a case of Nugget Nectar which was bottled on 1/11/13 and those beers are drinking great! They have the ‘classic’ Nugget Nectar profile of being hop forward with a nice, tasty malt backbone playing second fiddle. I am real happy with my purchase of this Nugget Nectar! I would highly recommend that other BAs purchase Nugget Nectar that was bottled on 1/11/13. At this point in time I have drunk 6 bottles from this case and I look forward to drinking the remaining 18 bottles.

    “The only batch I've been able to obtain so far is the 1/8 (from what I could tell). As I indicated previously, the batch tasted a bit maltier than previous batches that I recalled from several years ago.” Thank you for posting your personal experience with the 1/8 batch. Your description is consistent with what other BAs have posted. Do I have your permission to add your name to the list of BAs who have posted that the 1/8 batch is ‘different’ in subsequent posts?

    “The question is, are they so great that they warrant some kind of wholesale boycott of the batch.” Each person needs to make their own individual judgment on this topic. Personally, I like Twinsdaddy statement of: “I would not declare the 1/8 bottles drain pours if already in your possession but I would avoid purchasing them.” I greatly appreciate Twinsdaddy’s input and I have made a personal decision to not purchase any bottles of Nugget Nectar from the 1/8 batch (and by logical extension from the 1/17 batch thanks to JMSRN)

    “All I'm saying is that I'm not so sure of that, and would want to taste it myself before making such a decision.” And that is exactly what you (John Michaelsen) should do! As I stated in my prior post: “John, please feel free to purchase the 1/8 and 1/17 batches of Nugget Nectar.”

    “It's just my opinion Jack...” There is absolutely no doubt that you like to express your opinion. That is what these beer forum discussions are for.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    "Do I have your permission to add your name to the list of BAs who have posted that the 1/8 batch is ‘different’ in subsequent posts?"

    I'm not sure why you would want to do that. It's just my opinon (as I said before); I'm no expert; and in any event I thought the difference to be not that significant. Bottom line is that I thought the beer was still enjoyable and I would likely order it again. Isn't that more important than whether or not I thought there might be some slight difference in various batches? Or from previous versions in prior years?
     
  14. joeebbs

    joeebbs Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Pennsylvania

    he is the Brewery Manager
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “I'm not sure why you would want to do that.” Just to document that one more BA recognized a difference in a particular batch of Nugget Nectar.

    “It's just my opinon (as I said before); I'm no expert”. You might have a different viewpoint (and I suspect you do) but there is no requirement on BA that a person be an “expert” (whatever that is) to comment on how a beer tastes. We all have palates and we are permitted to post our personal experiences with a given beer. In my prior post I expressed my personal opinion on the 1/11/13 batch of Nugget Nectar:

    “I have a case of Nugget Nectar which was bottled on 1/11/13 and those beers are drinking great! They have the ‘classic’ Nugget Nectar profile of being hop forward with a nice, tasty malt backbone playing second fiddle. I am real happy with my purchase of this Nugget Nectar!”

    I do not think I have to be a ‘certified expert’ to be permitted to express my opinion.

    Just so we are clear, I will not add you name to the list of people who expressed their opinions on the 1/8/13 batch.

    Cheers!
     
  16. williamjbauer

    williamjbauer Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2012 Colorado

    Any luck in eastern pa? I will be driving to that area from southern wv and would love to score some nn if any has been seen there by 2.8.13
     
  17. jeevo

    jeevo Pundit (976) Nov 1, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    I picked up a case of this the other day. It's out here everywhere. I saw 6-packs of this at Giant Eagle Market District in Robinson for $11.49.
     
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  18. HokiesandBeer

    HokiesandBeer Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Yeah it's everywhere out here....cases...six packs...etc
     
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  19. jaybags

    jaybags Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2012 Michigan

    just wanted to say thanks for everyones opinion in this thread.

    have been on the lookout for nn since i saw the earlier release date. i bought a case last week bottled on 1/4/2013 that tastes great. saw a few cases bottled 1/8 that i avoided thanks to this thread. i bought another case today bottled 1/11/2013. will report back with results.

    i found it slightly amusing the first case i bought was a little under $50 (i had to drive a half hour to get it) and the one i bought today was a little over $46 and right in town.

    cheers
     
  20. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Last year, I found the bottles of NN distributed to Frederick to be inconsistent with hop freshness. Never really had a bottle of NN that I've loved, but the one time last year I got it on tap at a restaurant in Harrisburg, PA...wow absulutely incredible on tap. I'd recommend due to the inconsistency risk, buy small quantity for home, and seek it out on tap.
     
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