HELP NEEDED! Brew in a bag related....

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  1. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I am all geared up and ready to do my first brew-in-a-bag today. As I am getting everything ready I realize that the re-useable nylon bag that I bought to do my Brew in a Bag is too small for my 10 gallon pot. It won't fit over the edges! I don't know if I ordered the wrong size or if they sent the wrong item (haven't checked the receipt yet), or what. But I do know, this bag is not big enough for this kettle. I am planning on a doing a 5 gallon batch of Kolsch. As such, there aren't a ton of grains to deal with (7 lbs.).

    This is problematic because, given the nature of my schedule in the upcoming months, today is the only day I have to brew for a while! So, I'd really like to adjust on the fly here and find a way to get it done. As such, I am thinking of two potential options:

    1.) Brew in the 10 gallon kettle anyways. I won't be able to attach the bag all the way around the kettle with binder clips, but I could clip it at least in two areas. There will be a large cookie rack on the bottom to keep the grains off of it. Like I said, it's not a ton of grain, so I think I should be able to stir them around in the water all the same.

    or

    2.) Use my 5 gallon kettle instead, which the big fits over perfectly. My only concern here is, how much of a difference do those extra gallons of water matter when trying to extract the sugars from my grain.

    Let me know what your thoughts are.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Can I Mash It? calculator on the greem Bay Rackers site indicates for 7# at 1.5 qt/# you need 3.2 gallons of space. The 5 gallon kettle should be fine

    *This only deals with tun size not specific BIAB issues which I cannot comment on due to my having never done it.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have never personally done a BIAB mash but it is my understanding that the method works by mashing your grains in the entire amount of water needed to result in 5+ gallons of wort.


    So you will need lots of water since the grains will absorb some of the water and you need to account for boil off. I am guessing here but maybe you need something like 7-8 gallons to start off with since the grains will absorb a certain amount (let’s say 1 to 1.5 gallons for discussion purposes). You then will have something like 6 to 6.5 gallons of wort. After 1 hour of boil you will boil off something like 1 to 1.5 gallons to end up with 5 gallons (hopefully).

    Now, you could mash in your 5 gallon pot like Kjyost detailed but then you will need to sparge in order to get the needed 5 gallons of wort. Do you have a means to sparge? In other words, do you have a lauter tun?

    Cheers!

    P.S. This link has a handy calculator for determing how much water is needed for the BIAB method: http://classist.net/biab-calculator/
     
  4. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Thanks folks. I was able to clip the bag on opposite sides, which left only a slit to pour the grains in. With some help from a friend I was able to get them all in with next to nothing escaping. It's sitting in there around 155 degrees right now. Looks like all should be well.

    Salute!
     
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  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Too late for my comment. I'll add RDWHAHB
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jesse, I am glad that you got thing to ‘work’.

    Just out of curiosity, what amount of strike water did you use? The calculator that I provided a link to indicates a need of 7.38 gallons of water.

    You mentioned in the OP: “I am planning on a doing a 5 gallon batch of Kolsch. As such, there aren't a ton of grains to deal with (7 lbs.).”

    Is 7 gallons of grain your only fermentable? I looked at a recipe for a Kolsch in Brewing Classic Styles and it lists 10.3 lbs. of Pilsner malt for a 5 gallon batch (OG = 1.048).

    Cheers!
     
  7. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Shit! I blew it.

    I pieced together a recipe based on the Northernbrewer Kolsch Brew-in-a-bag recipe I had read earlier. In all the hustle and bustle of doing this new method and new style I totally forgot that the BIAB Kolsch recipe on Northernbrewer is for 3 gallons, not 5!!!!! My OG was 1.032!

    Damn, this is awful. I just pitched the yeast. I'm such an idiot.

    I do have 2 pounds of Light DME hanging around. Can I salavage this brew with that? Can I use it to get the OG up?

    I am such a fool.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jesse,

    The first thing you need to do is relax! This is not the end of the world.

    Ok, are you relaxed now?

    There are beer styles that have low Original Gravities. For example, English Mild Ales. Even though a beer may have a lower OG, they can still be enjoyable beers. The ultimate session beer!

    Now, a Kolsch beer is not normally associated with a lower gravity. Maybe this is an ‘opportunity’ for you? This batch could be a trend setter: Jesse’s Mild Kolsch beer!

    The other option is to use the 2 pounds of Light DME that you have hanging around. It is totally OK to add that to your beer that is in the fermenter. I would suggest that if you got that route you should dissolve that DME into some water prior to adding it to the fermenter. I am unsure how well DME would dissolve into wort. Maybe just add the 2 lbs. to a quart or more of water and boil for a bit to make sure you have a good dissolved solution?

    I am sure that either way your beer will turn out just fine.

    As homebrewers we tend to obsess (I am reticent to use that word) about our beer making. With the exception of the ‘rules’ of:

    · Always exercise proper sanitation
    · Pitch plenty of healthy yeast
    · Ferment at temperatures appropriate for the yeast strain you are using

    Homebrewing can be a forgiving hobby.

    Please report back what you decide to do. Just remember that a Jesse Mild Kolsch beer could be a historical beer.

    In the immortal word of Charlie Papazian (a very, very wise man): Relax, Don’t Worry, Have a Homebrew (RDWHAHB)!

    Cheers!
     
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  9. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    You could add some other fermentables (like corn sugar) a few days into primary fermentation to boost the gravity / abv a bit. Dissolve the corn sugar (say 6-7oz) in some water first, cool it to pitching temperatures, and throw it into the fermenter in say 2-3 days from now. That will at least bump you up a few gravity points sugar wise and perhaps enhance your yeasts attenuation a bit, giving you another slight bump in abv. Still wouldn't really put you into typical "Kolsch" range, but it could get you up to about a 3.5% abv session strength. Just tell people its a "table beer" and enjoy it for what it's worth.
     
  10. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Thank you Jack for the mini-therapy session. Much appreciated.

    I decided to toss in the 2 lbs of DME. I dissolved it in some water first and then cooled it down (it helps that it's below freezing in RI tonight).

    We'll see what happens! I may end up with a session Kolsch, a Kolsch or an Imperial Kolsch. Ha ha ha.

    Thanks again for the guidance, patience, and kindness.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jesse.

    I am confident that your beer will turn out just fine!

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
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  12. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    OG was 1.045 after I added the DME.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Perfect! You are in the Kolsch range of 1.044 – 1.050.

    Luck beats skill!

    Cheers!

    P.S. Jesse, please report back how the beer tastes when it is finished. I received ingredients for a batch of Kolsch that I will be making in a month or so: it will be 2/3rd Kolsch malt and 1/3rd German Pilsner Malt.
     
  14. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I will surely give you a report. If this brew's any good, I'll name it Therapist Jack's Train-Wreck Kolsch.
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Therapist Jack's Train-Wreck Kolsch” LOL! That is the best name I have ever heard for a Homebrew!

    I brew an Oatmeal Stout that my wife nagged me to make for quite some time. My wife’s name is Kathleen. One of her friends calls her Kate (I am not sure why since she doesn’t really go by Kate). Anyway, the name of the Oatmeal Stout is Kate’s PITA Oatmeal Stout. I told her that I use the PITA term since there are ‘extra steps’ to make this beer but the PITA was really a reaction to the nagging.

    Cheers!

    P.S. The Oatmeal Stout turned out great and is now in my regular lineup; I make two batches of it per year.
     
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