Stateside Session Bitter (SSB) recipe critique?

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  1. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Wanting to brew a hybrid American/English bitter. What do y'all think of this recipe?

    -7 lbs American 2-row pale ale malt
    -8 oz English crystal 55
    -4 oz. Belgian biscuit malt
    -2 oz. black patent (color only)


    -1 oz. Cascade (60 min)
    -.50 oz. Willamette (15 min)
    -.50 oz. Willamette (10 min)
    -1 oz. Cascade (1 min)

    -slurry of Wyeast 1968 London ESB

    Estimated 71% efficiency, 3.66% estimated ABV. Looking for a BIT of toast and caramel, with a fruity/citrus hop kick, w/a touch more late hop character than typical in British bitters.
     
  2. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I think the hop schedule looks tasty. I like milds that are hoppier than "typical." Cascade and willamette make a great team.

    I will reserve comment on the grain bill because I'm not familiar enough with milds to be sure.
     
  3. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Zealot (722) Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    The biscuit malt isn't necessary but it isn't out of place, either. The grain bill overall is fairly standard for a bitter. You will get the flavors you're looking for although I don't think you will get enough out of the 15 and 10 minute additions of the same hop to do both. I'd rather do one of those additions and put the rest of the Willamette at knock out.
     
  4. jsullivan02130

    jsullivan02130 Devotee (341) Mar 28, 2007 Massachusetts

    Looks OK, but personally if I were to do this I'd go with a more characterful base malt like a Marris Otter, Golden Promise, Optic, etc. You might not get enough flavor out of the American 2-row with a grist bill this small. But maybe that's what you want. The biscuit should help. Only one way to find out....
     
  5. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Cascade is entirely in keeping with British bitter, and Willamette is Fuggles in a fancy suit!
    MO is an excellent malt to use though some UK brewers use Pilsner malt in a few bitters.These are very pale and are designed to attract lager drinkers.
     
  6. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    Your recipe looks fine. Take care.
     
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  7. JimmyTango

    JimmyTango Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 California

    Looks good to me!

    I'll recomend that you mash over 155F so the fg stays up. Also, I think GP would be a better choice for the base malt, but that's just a personal preference.
     
  8. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    I brew something very similar quite often and that will be tasty. I prefer a darker base like a pale ale malt but yours will be fine. The hops you have listed I use together often! They are like Kate Upton, a great pair.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Like some others, I'd probably go with a more characterful base malt. It's easy to end up with dishwater with low gravity ales.
     
  10. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    I like the recipe as it is written. This is a style I brew very often, and I more often than not will use Rahr 2-row with great success. Maris Otter or Golden Promise are great and would add a bit more character, but I like the small addition of biscuit you have in there for a touch of character. Cascade and Willamette love each other, but I have a preferance to bitter with Willamette, just not a fan of cascade for bittering purposes. WLP002 (WY1968) would be my house yeast if I had one.

    With under 10% specialty grain, I would mash at a bit higher temp 154°(ish).
     
  11. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    Looks pretty solid to me, as others have said, I would mash on the high end. Personally I would add a touch more crystal and use Maris Otter if possible.

    One thing you might consider is your efficiency. If you get 71% with a 5% beer, you might get a bit higher with this gravity beer. To counter this you could sparge a little less (and avoid tannin extraction at the same time).
     
  12. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Thanks for all the advice! I messed up, a bit though; my LHBS has Weywermann Pale Ale malt, so it's that I'll be buying, rather than the Briess Pale Ale malt I thought they had. I did a quick bit of research on it, and reviews said it's a bit more complex than domestic pale ale malts, but a touch 'cleaner' than Maris Otter (my go-to malt for all my British beers), so I'm hoping this will work well. Would upping the biscuit malt to a half-pound make this too biscuity? (I've never brewed with biscuit).
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How much do you like bready/crackery flavors?
     
  14. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    I like 'em (the reason I love love love Maris Otter) but I don't want the 'biscuit-bomb' I made of a bitter once using 12oz of Amber malt...it made a tasty, low-gravity biscuity brown ale, but nothing remotely like an English Bitter...is biscuit as potent as Amber malt?
     
  15. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Zealot (722) Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    Just to make sure you are reading those labels correctly, there is pale malt and pale ale malt. Not very different but they are different.
     
  16. JimmyTango

    JimmyTango Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 California

    I've used biscuit malt and found it to be pretty potent. A half pund of Victory would be nice, though...
     
  17. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Guess I'm dumber than I thought :slight_smile: What's the difference? I'd assume pale ALE malt is slightly darker and higher-kilned than plain pale malt? Is that correct? Is 'pale' the same as plain old American 2-row?
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I wouldn't say it's more or less potent. But it's different. If you like bready/crackery, I don't think that 8 oz of biscuit would be too much in that recipe.
     
  19. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Be careful with Biscuit malt. I would say 2-3% is good in a beer like this.
     
  20. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Zealot (722) Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    Pale ale malt is darker than pale malt or domestic two row. Pale malt is lighter. Domestic two row is even lighter and tends to be blander than the other two but otherwise interchangeable in recipes (if you want/have to). I haven't used pale ale malt but they are different products. It tends to be more expensive but I haven't seen a reason to use it over Maris Otter or similar darker English products.
     
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