impromptu bottle shares at MN bars

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by opwog, Mar 12, 2013.

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  1. sacrelicio

    sacrelicio Pooh-Bah (1,838) Feb 15, 2005 Minnesota
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    Yup, and it doesn't HAVE to be rare/cellared/out of state, but that's what is requested of attendees (again, not by me, I'm not the organizer). Last time people brought some nice shelf beers which were enjoyed by all. No one has ever been turned away. Relax everyone.
     
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  2. BrettHead

    BrettHead Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    Nor have I

    Are you in a habit of going to potlucks and not bringing anything?
     
  3. KWMiles

    KWMiles Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2012 Minnesota

    Thanks MNRyan (and all other awesome BAs) who have included me in amazing beer guzzling events, even when I was a total n00b.

    That being said, I don't give a shit if you bring wine to a beer tasting, as long as you have good intentions.

    Cheers, homies.
     
  4. evilgenius1917

    evilgenius1917 Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2009 Minnesota

    I understand, that's why I used "/" instead of ",".
     
  5. Revenant

    Revenant Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2012 Minnesota

    I'm not hurt at all. I go to plenty of bottle shares and you can paint it anyway you like, but, in the end it is just that, BYOB. If some guy brought a bottle of Hop Stupid to a bottle share and a couple people had "rare" beer like THE ALMIGHTY Cantillon, he would get a sample. It's not a pissing contest. Put your dick away and remove that bottle of Cantillon from your throat.
     
  6. arniepnminne

    arniepnminne Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2010 Minnesota

    The pheasant sausage is great!
     
  7. GeezLynn

    GeezLynn Initiate (0) May 10, 2009 Colorado

    WRONG. And you've proven my points perfectly. A bottle share at someone's residence is BYOB. Bottle shares at beer bars usually do not work that way. You do not show up with your 12 pack of Sierra Nevada Chico Awesomeness or whatever else you happened to grab off the shelf, great beer or not (again, why would they allow you to bring it in when they can sell you that beer, or something comparable?). A bar allowing you to open the bottle you brought in is the exception. It's usually something that they allow based on the good behavior of regular customers and as a rule, the beers are not the type that compete with the bar's regular lineup.....hence the not distributed in-state, vintage, limited batch suggestion (I hope use of "suggestion" is putting it delicately enough for you). It has nothing to do with a dick waiving contest between beer geeks.

    Is this really that complicated?
     
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  8. opwog

    opwog Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2008 Minnesota

    Been to the Brickstore a few times. One of my best friends used to live outside of Atlanta, but now lives in Athens. From your post, I can tell that you are understanding exactly what I am saying. And even though it is "impromptu," at certain bars with certain regulars who maintain somewhat regular schedules of coming in; then certain days can become more of a regular night just because the people inclined to be doing this are generally coming in on the same days. Thursdays at Beachwood in Seal Beach became like this for a while, but as schedules changed, so did the idea of a regular night. Sometimes just one person has something to open, sometimes two, three four, five, sometimes the bar would throw in a bottle or even the bartenders would bring in bottles from their private stash's to share if others stopped by with bottles.

    And like you concluded, I also have never seen anybody criticized for what they brought to a bottle share. Who the hell would criticize what somebody brings for free to share with others? But then again, I have never seen anybody intentionally bring any obvious crap. The rules that I usually go by is not to bring in anything that the bar normally has or would have on tap (if the local scene has it covered, there is no need to bring it in) or that drops below the quality threshold of what the bar would carry.
     
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  9. Bond111

    Bond111 Zealot (708) Feb 14, 2011 Minnesota
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    I just so happen to have a bomber of 5 year old Fat Tire...Give me Cantillon right meow!
     
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  10. motorhed

    motorhed Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2008 Minnesota

    I've never seen anyone, at any bar in MN, at any point drinking a bottle they brought in. I was out in CA last year visiting some friends and we hit Pizza Port in Ocean Beach (repeatedly) where several personal bottles were shared in the restaurant. This was a completely foreign concept to me and i'm sure i had a strange look on my face. I often wondered the same thing; if it's illegal to do this in MN or if it's just completely up to the restaurant on how they feel about it. Either way, i don't think that it's part of the beer culture here.
     
  11. olympuszymurgus

    olympuszymurgus Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2009 California

    Totally legal, totally up the the bar. Some will claim it's illegal. They are wrong.
     
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  12. motorhed

    motorhed Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2008 Minnesota

    Thanks for the clarification olympus
     
  13. dc55110

    dc55110 Savant (1,116) Oct 24, 2010 Minnesota

    There are still a fair number of "supper clubs" in rural Minnesota that are BYOB. Some, not all, charge a corking fee.
     
  14. opwog

    opwog Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2008 Minnesota

    OK, so here is what we have concluded so far...

    1) What I was asking about does not seem to happen in MN...so far
    2) There doesn't appear to be any legal reason that it does not happen
    3) In a general sense, I think that everybody seems to understand the difference between offering a bottle to be shared at a bar versus an organized bottle share at somebody's house.
    4) I think that everybody understands that any bottles being brought in, should not be with the intent of simply duplicating readily available beer that you might find on tap or on a bottle list.
    5) Bottles are mainly meant to be shared across several people in small quantities (usually anywhere from 1.5 to 4 oz pours, depending on bottle size and number of people sharing)
    6) My recommendation is that this is at beer bars that are run and/or staffed with knowledgable beer people and not just places that happen to have a good beer list. Nothing against the latter, except that a like minded bartender/manager is going to be more receptive to such sharing that they would also partake in, than somebody who simply wants to collect their tips and then goes to meet their buddies at the PBR bar afterwards.

    So given that this apparently hasn't been happening in MN and there seems to be no reason why that I can see, can anybody who sits/stands on either side of the local beer bars tell me if this somehow insults their sensibilities about what is appropriate, in any other way? Because if this is fine with everybody, may I recommend that some people should start throwing some interesting (not whales, just things not normally seen) beers in their trunk before heading out. Then if you find yourself down in the corner of the bar chatting with the bartender and a couple of friends on a slow day/night, then maybe it is time to offer to share a bottle.

    And expect that reactions may vary from being told no, to confusion over the suggestion, to somebody being ecstatic over the offer. I travel a bit and always bring beer with me and have frequently made such offers to bartenders and people I just met on the spot at such beer bars and I have seen every type of response. But when my GF and I can walk into Ebenezer's on a slow afternoon, have a sandwich, chat up the owner and a couple of locals and then walk out to my car and come in with a Mexican barleywine (not likely to have been seen in Maine), then that becomes a well appreciated, impromptu share.
     
  15. evilgenius1917

    evilgenius1917 Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2009 Minnesota

    This is the sort of attitude I was advocating for.

    I get the criteria and have never embarrassed myself at a sharing. I'm just saying, when you write out the unwritten rules it comes off as cold and, well, unsharing.
     
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  16. opwog

    opwog Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2008 Minnesota

    I agree 100%, even though that is exactly what I just did. Even as I typed that, it was going around in my head that I had never put much thought into the process before, but given that what I was describing seemed like a foreign concept here and there was so much confusion in this thread, I didn't know what else to do except lay it out that way. In fact, in one of my posts from yesterday, when I jumped back in after that whole discussion had happened, the first thing that I asked was if it was a joke, because I couldn't believe that something so simple that anybody should inherently understand if they have reached the point of being on a site like this, actually needed to be detailed to death like that. I understand maybe the confusion between what I was talking about and organized bottle shares, because apparently what I was talking about hasn't normally taken place out here, but the nit picking over laying down parameters for bottle sharing in general seems a little obsessive to me.
     
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  17. burlyb

    burlyb Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2007 Minnesota

    Opwog, I've been on the receiving end of impromptu pours in CA as well. When traveling for business via car, I've often brought some Furious or Abrasive (and other regionals) for personal consumption but also to share if the mood was right. I've found that beer-centric bars are pretty open to and excited by the gesture, but the timing has to be right. If it's Friday night and super busy, they might not have the time for it or might not have the beer-geeky bartender(s) working. I've enjoyed the resulting discussion and never expected anything in return, but sometimes the bartender will buy you one for the gesture. Locally, I could see the Muddy Pig being cool with impromptu sharing, but it seems like a lot of places would get their panties in a bunch. Really comes down to the character of the establishment and the interest and permissiveness of the bartender. Best to ask first - and late afternoons are often best because who doesn't like day drinking (especially when on a business trip...).
     
  18. motorhed

    motorhed Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2008 Minnesota

    Love this thread BTW, great discussion. It would be cool if people to comment on if they found any local establishments that were open to bottle shares.

    Only problem i see with opwog's plan to keep beers in the car/trunk for impromptu sharing is the fact that in MN, for at least a good portion of the year, it's well below 32 degrees. Oh how i wish it was Cali weather here and you could just leave delicious beer in the trunk all the time....:sunglasses:
     
  19. dc55110

    dc55110 Savant (1,116) Oct 24, 2010 Minnesota

    Eh! It's really only about two months that we have to worry about temps getting too cold in your car (as long as you are not storing it for two days) that beer will freeze. I'd be much more worried about cooking the beer in your car in summer heat.
     
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  20. opwog

    opwog Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2008 Minnesota

    Sorry, I wasn't talking about packing the trunk and driving around for days until you find yourself at a place, I meant that if people were on their way to what became share friendly bars, that they could then throw a bottle in the trunk in case they needed it. And trust me, if places do catch on to this, it becomes a lot easier. I used to throw something in the back of my car and just bring it in and ask them to throw it on the ice, before I even knew who may be around. Then after a few people would show up, I'd ask to pull it (especially something that may even now need to warm from the ice temp) and then share it. My neighbors used to laugh, because they would always see me walking to the car with beer and knew that I was bringing it to a bar.

    And for any bar owners, managers or bartenders reading this in MN, trust me and everybody else talking about their trips out to CA. There is a good reason why some of those places have become so well known in the beer community. This is a win/win thing. It draws some of your best customers in more frequently and adds to the sense of community at the bar amongst the regulars. And as long as nobody is abusing the privilege by using this as a way to dodge buying beer (which is really hard with sample size pours), it isn't a ding to sales. I am very much a business minded person, being a business owner myself. In fact, I have refrained from popping beers sometimes when I noticed that coincidentally almost too many people had come in with bottles at the same time (which rarely happens), if it seems like it is impeding sales. Likewise, I have tried to steer certain organized groups to interweave some level of purchasing from the bar, when I have noticed a generous venue allowing groups to organize large bottle shares that can sometimes draw some people who never want to open their wallets once they are there.

    For it to work, people just need to be cognitive that they are doing this in a business. The point is to have fun and share opportunities, while complimenting what that business offers and not to c-block how they generate revenue.
     
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