Why are sours uncommon?

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  1. gcamparone

    gcamparone Pooh-Bah (2,131) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    Are they difficult to craft? Are the raw materials expensive/hard to come by?
     
  2. tugg407

    tugg407 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Florida
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  3. kbuzz

    kbuzz Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 North Carolina

    Probably cause they take forever to mature and although gaining popularity, they are still a relatively lesser-known/popular style and tend to be an acquired taste.
     
  4. gcamparone

    gcamparone Pooh-Bah (2,131) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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  5. clegolfski

    clegolfski Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2008 Ohio
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    Funny. At the time that was written you could regularly get Cantillon off the shelf.
     
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  6. gcamparone

    gcamparone Pooh-Bah (2,131) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    That's so ironic. People were probably wondering what a sour was at the time too. I was 12 years old.
     
  7. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Wild yeast scares brewers. Okay, that could be taken the wrong way but many brewers do not want to risk contamination and bring bugs and brett into their brew house. Most will want to keep their clean beer separate but that is not always possible given space limitations many breweries can run up against.
     
  8. Sonofalime

    Sonofalime Crusader (408) Oct 11, 2010 Virginia

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    tugg407 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Florida
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  10. Sonofalime

    Sonofalime Crusader (408) Oct 11, 2010 Virginia


    Yea I got that...don't know the last time I was in that section.
     
  11. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    I happen to be drinking a sour barrel aged saison from JesterKing in Texas as I type this. My love of sours has been rekindled, I can't get enough of this stuff. Seriously I can't get enough because it's a 500 mile drive to the closest place that sells it.
    Few breweries have the resources to devote a separate brewhouse for sours. Some of us love sours but we don't want sour ESB's Porters, IPAs etc. My understanding is that once souring bugs get established in brewing gear there will always be a risk of any beer brewed turning sour. I've homebrewed sours and have never had a problem, but if I had hundreds of thousands of dollars invested I wouldn't take the chance either.
     
  12. GRG1313

    GRG1313 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,974) Jan 15, 2009 California
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    I love that you did this. The information on this site is invaluable! I give beer tastings to wine and food groups, social clubs, charities, school board events, etc. etc. and I always go the this site for information not only about what to serve but to read about each style. The information on this site is just wonderful and I refer as many people to it as I can, as a means of "becoming an expert" by sitting on your computer, reading and then tasting!
     
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  13. Stugotzo

    Stugotzo Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2012 Florida

    Supply and Demand.
     
  14. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Supply and Demand. Beer Advocates answer for everything, regardless if it makes sense.
     
  15. kbuzz

    kbuzz Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 North Carolina

    While I agree that they are growing in availability, sours are still not to the level of what I would consider to be common. At least not in my area (SW PA). In contrast to the availability of other styles, they are definitely still uncommon. The ratio of available shelf sours to almost each and every other style is little to a lot.

    Just so happens that the same reasons also hold water when applied to the expense aspect of sour beer production.
     
  16. clegolfski

    clegolfski Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2008 Ohio
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    They have to pay back the loans. I think about Cantillon selling Classic for 5-7 euro. I'm sure after being in the location for 100 years they own the place.
     
  17. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Says the guy from California.

    In many states it is hard to find sours on any regular basis. In Michigan I can find Jolly Pumpkin, outside of that I am really lucky to come across much of anything.
     
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  18. Stugotzo

    Stugotzo Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2012 Florida

    I would have said "Economics 101", but that would have been too subtle.
     
  19. rlasker3

    rlasker3 Aspirant (287) Jan 10, 2008 New Hampshire

    The definition of a sour is expanding all the time. Now it is really the American Wild Ale that seems to be growing now that brewers are adding brett and barrel aging many of their beers.

    But let's be real those kinds of beers, unless brewed by great brewers, don't approach spontaneous fermented lambics. Wild yeasts just add distinctive characteristics that are hard to replicate. The rarity of these lambics drive up the hunt for other "sour" ales.
     
  20. HKUSPC40

    HKUSPC40 Zealot (601) Aug 28, 2012 Washington

    TW in Bellevue has like 6 regularly available sours out of 2500 or so total beers... I would say they are uncommon. The short answer I've received from most brewers is they're afraid of contaminating their brew process.
     
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