Let's talk about trade winning and threadsh******.

TL; DR

 

I am not a big fan of the "It's going to take a little more..." or the "If this gets done, I am willing to do it also," type comments. Not that I think it is threadshitting or anything, but it just sort of sends a message to anyone looking that the OP's offer isn't a great value, even if otherwise they may be perfectly happy with it.

 

Rare or not rare, to me its all about the money being even. I would have no problems trading my Huna for 7 or 8 headys

 

You thread shitting nah you were just having fun :-)

 

Edit that to the op ^

 

I love when people imply or directly state that more needs to be added to the original offer and then say, "Good luck, OP!", as if they wish them the best by attempting to make the offer look insufficient to all subsequent viewers of the thread.

I don't understand why people feel the need to tell people their trade won't get done when inbox crickets will convey this more than loudly enough. If someone can't resist offering their infinite wisdom, they should at least do it via bm to avoid dampening the perceived fairness of the original offer.

 

Yea but that's what makes it fun:-). Its just beer

 

Part of the problem is the definition of threadshitting: what's leaving a steaming pile of poo to one is another's innocent attempt to help a misguided brother in beer.

Let me try to define it as I see it:

Threadshitting: adding anything that's not helpful. Especially the 'that won't get done' & 'you'll have to add for that' kind of stupidity. A close second is the large contingent of people on the site that think they must, must, must add their keen wit to every thread, which brings other funny-people out of the woodwork & leads to a pile-on of idiocy. If you don't have anything constructive to say, shut up. My mom said that once, & she's a wise woman.

Non-Threadshitting: comments that clarify something that might help others considering the trade. Example in the past day is "Gee, this guy's on the bad trader list!" THAT, my friends, is a great post. Or if someone posts FT a barrel-aged beer that's never been barrel-aged, pointing out the mistake might prevent a misunderstanding down the road.

That said, threadshitting really doesn't bother me. It often reveals more about those leaving the pile that those they've dumped on.

 

Here's how I determine value, and this is probably the system a lot of experienced people use, but it comes so naturally to them they've never thought through the process.

I research four things:

Cost
Bottle Count
Availability
Reviews

Cost and Bottle Count are self explanatory, and you can find them out in less than a minute with an internet search. When I say Availability, I mean was it brewery only, or was it distributed. If brewery only, how many bottles could one person walk away with, and if distributed, how hard was it to get (some distributed beers are harder to get than if you could just walk into a brewery and grab half a case). And Reviews to me count not only as the overall rating but also the Wants:Gots ratio and the overall view of how good the beer is (King Henry is a beer that tastes so good, better than many other beers rated at 100, that people just don't want to trade it away).

Then I make what I consider to be a fair offer. I try to find something that meets or exceeds the criteria of the beer I'm looking for, and if I don't have that, I resort to offering multiple good beers to get the one I'm after. It all depends on how badly you want the beer. I have never not landed a bottle I've gone after, and I have a meager cellar compared to a lot of my friends (around 100 bottles). If I fail, and I want the beer, I up the offer, but I don't insult people by low balling them in the first place.

As far as thread shitting, I don't have a problem with it one way or another. It's entertaining, and if your offer is good and fair, no one is going to speak out against it. If you read something that's obnoxiously far off though, check the guy's join date. If he's new, cut him some slack. It may just be ignorance.

 

yeah, let's talk about it. you see, when it comes to huna and heady the thing is that zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

All Twenty Twelvers Twenty Twelving up the place.

Jury is still out on the Twenty Thirtqueens though 1Q reports aren't positive.

 

I've done variations of this trade twice and it's a tricky one. Both times I ended up throwing in good extras or adding to get it closer to $4$.

Edit: And I'd suggest just sending a BM instead of threadshitting

 

#letthemantradehisbeer

 

I guess with as much money as I end up wasting on beer, plus all the other factors like prices being different from state to state, cost to obtain, etc. I rarely worry about $4$ unless someone else brings it up in the conversation.

As far is I am concerned you either work out a trade where both parties are happy and your fair in your dealings or your a DB (and there are plenty of those here on BA and everywhere else.)

 

The best advice I can give is don't be twenty twelving up in here.

I've seen you active on these parts, you are one of the good ones.

Just think logically about trades and don't try to rip people off, don't try to retrade beers, don't auction, don't bitch, don't complain to the bros every time somebody posts something you don't like, don't twenty twelve, don't sell beer, don't ask what every beer "goes for", don't not listen to me.

 

Probably just need to convert all trade offers into KHU in order to properly judge balance.

 

KHU is the new "How many KBS".